PR6 website for sale

**waspelle** · 03-20-2004, 08:03 AM

PR6 www.bioproject.info
1. Where the site is being hosted?
- valuehost.com, just another one ordinary hosting service

- you can easily ZIP / UNZIP / transfer the website.

- I pay ~10$/mo for my hosting service with 300 megs space and unlimited bandwidth. The bandwidth is... hm a few Gb/mo, maybe 4Gb/mo

2. How much is the traffic per month? Any advertising? How is the traffic generated?
- The website goal (since the time it was first imagined and created) is cheap search engines traffic. The pages are generally optimized for search engines performance. Maybe you should review the source code.

At this moment: the website traffic is 40 113 visitors last 30 days.
~281 130 pageviews last 30 days. That is basically free search engines traffic.

I'am using Google AdSence ads on the website.
Google ads performance is about 0,9$ CPM
I guess if to replace Google AdSence defaults with FastClick or
BurstMedia or ... ads + to add session based popunders (FastClick
popunders are good) the overall CPM must be 1,5-2,0$. This will not produce exsessive advertising.

So, at this moment, the website value is 700$/mo in revenue if sold though run-of-network advertising.

4. Is it easy to change the contenet of the site? e.g. layout, template? Any php, sql etc.?
- The website is about 1500 static HTML pages, there are no server-based scripting technologies implemented. There is a soft of TXT database file. Website pages are generated on your local computer bulk using an HTML pattern with special command tags inside with my Deplhi handmade tool.
Minus: it is just 'simple'.
Plus: pages source is clear, easy to setup, understand and deploy the website. Textual special formatted database is easy to convert to any other format you need. I will do it upon your request if the website is sold.

Additional information:
Raw server logs, access to web based stats can be provided upon request, if interested in further discussion.
I would like to sell the website for its current 2 years revenue level. I'm interested in getting a one-time revenue selling the website with the database "as is".

You can, in fact, cover your investment in a twice shorter period if you plan to continue with website promotion, search engines optimization, further development or whatever.
Price may be discussed!!!!!!
mail to: webmaster@bioproject.info

**Digitalman** · 03-21-2004, 07:28 AM

I will pay you $5000 for that best bid you will get.

**Bleys** · 03-21-2004, 03:31 PM

5000... take that. You won't get a better offer. He's right.

**waspelle** · 03-22-2004, 03:44 AM

Thank you very much for the advise...

**CyanSmoker** · 03-22-2004, 05:10 AM

Waspelle, it's the n'th time I see this site for sale on a message board.
You've tried to sell it at least twice during the last two months.

Did you get the legal aspect cleared?
For reference: you are exclusively using copyrighted Microsoft material on your site and your 'legal notice' is not very convincing.

Cheers,

**waspelle** · 03-22-2004, 03:34 PM

Dear CayanSmoker, thank you very much for the question it is very reasonable....
I can't imagine what is wrong whith my site legar notice.... I would be very greatfull to you if explain me some aspects of things you didn't like there.
I can enshure you that everything is legal.... Microsofl allows to use it's encyclopedia materials for building own projects...
May be now they have made some changes, but when the site was created it was allowed, and all this things are described in my legal notice....
You think that my project would stay on the web near a year without any problems, and Google would work with it, if it was not legal?
If you have any questions, please contact me, I would be happy to answer..

**CyanSmoker** · 03-24-2004, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by waspelle

You think that my project would stay on the web near a year without any problems, and Google would work with it, if it was not legal?

Actually I was wondering about that.
My real question, I guess, is: how would a potential buyer make money off this site, since commercial use of MS' material is prohibited?

Thank you,
-C.

**waspelle** · 03-24-2004, 11:28 AM

Well buyer will get profit same way as I do this now.... He will recieve payments from Google Adsense and if you wis you can place Burst or Fast Click banners there...and double the income....
Microsoft doesn't allow selling their info but banners don't sell it...
You just sell a free space on your site but not encarta content....
How do you think?
MY Bioproject is an informational resouce and nobody can copy this info for sale...
That's why Google is working with me without any trouble...

**Tzunami** · 04-06-2004, 06:05 PM

I'm no lawyer... not for 3 years anyway, but this statement seems pretty clear:

"Microsoft and its suppliers do not authorize the use of information available from the MSN Web Sites including stock quote or other financial information, for any purpose other than your personal use"

Ahh well i'm all for freedom of information anyway...

**Tzunami** · 04-07-2004, 06:12 AM

Incidentally, you'd be hard pressed to claim that a site such as that is being used for non-commercial use when it is bringing in such high advertising revenues.

Also, the fact that Google are prepared to work with you on the Adsense programme does not automatically grant your site legality - Google are notoriously rebellious in their disregard for gray area/illegal sites for advertising purposes.

**Khazun** · 04-07-2004, 07:39 AM

Ok Guys, the Law is black and white here. I believe this may be legal, if your lawyer was good enough you could get away with it.

Quote:

"Microsoft and its suppliers do not authorize the use of information available from the MSN Web Sites including stock quote or other financial information, for any purpose other than your personal use"

Thats exactly right. This website is for his personal usage. He has just decided to put in on a website host, as it happens to be much safer here, off his hard drive which is open to being hacked. If he stores two copies, he is doubly safe

OR

This website is my personal usage, however, the public stumbled across this site.

AND THEN

I have created the ads on this page not with intentions of revenue, but intentions of helping the people that visit my website find similar sites to help them retreive information.

Dont you just love being a sleaze-lol

**Tzunami** · 04-07-2004, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khazun

Thats exactly right. This website is for his personal usage. He has just decided to put in on a website host, as it happens to be much safer here, off his hard drive which is open to being hacked. If he stores two copies, he is doubly safe

Lol nice try, but no lawyer in the worl (except perhaps Italy) could get away with that line of reasoning.

The fact of the matter remains that once you put unrestricted informaition into the public domain (in this case the internet), it can no longer be classed as for "personal use". If the site in question was restricted access and only the owner could enter it, then he might have a case - however he wouldn't have any advertising revenue with which to fight that case!!!

Hard drive is open to being hacked... and the net isn't lol!?!

Nice try though ;-)

**Tzunami** · 04-07-2004, 07:54 AM

Term:
Personal Use

Definition:
Condition of American copyright law that permits individuals to copy purchased works for distribution among personally owned devices. For example, copying a music CD to a blank cassette for playing in one’s own car stereo is allowable, but not if that cassette is given to another person.

Discussion:
In this case it would certainly be upheld that the information in the site had been distributed or "given to another person". While this individual definition regards only purchased works, the same is true of works provided free of charge (providing they are not provided royalty and copyright free).
It is interesting to note that any material produced by an individual automatically becomes copyright, regardless of their decision to use the official copyright symbol or state that it is copyright.

Conclusion:
QED

**Khazun** · 04-07-2004, 08:28 AM

@Tzunami's first post:

Yes-but the server ad says secure, so he thinks it cant be hacked

. Looks like i'll just have to become a lawyer, im already known as 'the manipulator' in school, lol, and I know a bit of hypnotism-might help with the jury-lol. Id accept namepoints as money-lol.

@Second Post:Personal Use can mean many things. The internet is netiher a public place nor a private place. He did not advertize this link at all. This site is for his personal use for researching information

OR

(And this one would probably work in court) In the microsoft Agreement, no specific definition of Personal use was given. Therefore, I came to my conclusion of what the definition was, which is, using it for my personal interest, in a non-profit environment that is not advertized out to the public.

Conclusion:
Kinda QED :P

**Tzunami** · 04-07-2004, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khazun

Yes-but the server ad says secure, so he thinks it cant be hacked

. Looks like i'll just have to become a lawyer, im already known as 'the manipulator' in school, lol, and I know a bit of hypnotism-might help with the jury-lol. Id accept namepoints as money-lol.

lol - but ignorance is not a defence in law

Quote:

Originally Posted by Khazun

Personal Use can mean many things. The internet is netiher a public place nor a private place. He did not advertize this link at all. This site is for his personal use for researching information

It can yes, but in copyright terms "personal use" is very specific!

Law degree starting October '04

But if you've got lots of free time to debate this crap, PM me as i've got a site I need keen helpers for!

**Khazun** · 04-07-2004, 09:31 AM

Hey, I dont agree with the points-I just like stirring the pot and disagreeing for fun-If iI wanted I could keep going on-buts its late and im busy.

Yes-ill Pm you

And WHO LIKES MY SIG!!!