Everybody! Major Site Overhaul

**boyevul** · 04-23-2004, 08:54 AM

I just pulled a major site overhaul and think everybody will pleased with the results;

the entrance is easy to find; flash menu, very organized, no wasted space.

please give me your comments! i am very pleased with this, but am also anxious to hear everybody elses thoughts.

every body review please! or at least leave a comment on the guestbook!

**Anacrusis** · 04-28-2004, 10:21 PM

Your site is virtually un-browsable in Opera.

**boyevul** · 04-28-2004, 10:59 PM

Since October 2003, here are the statistics for the web browsers that were used to view www.boyevul.net

MS Internet Explorer - (42991) 96.2%
Mozilla - (791) 1.7%
Netscape - (476) 1.%
Safari - (161) 0.3%
Unknown - (129) 0.2%
Opera - (58) 0.1%
Firebird - (6) 0%
Multizilla - (5) 0%
LibWWW - (2) 0%
Galeon - (2) 0%

So in case you're in the 4% of the users that come to this website, I'm sorry to inform you that this website is apparently only viewable properly in Microsoft Internet Explorer.

Furthermore, if I ever institute some form of flash menu again, you will need the flash plug in, and apparently there are actually people out there who "don't have it, nor do they want it".

Let's just get down to the bottom line; I have to follow the major demographic and provide for them. Sorry. When I finally figure out just what each of these other different browsers are, maybe I will make a website compatible with those.

But to quote the above, "I do not know what they are, nor do I care to know."

**jammin411** · 12:55 AM

Ok, here is the screenshot of how the page loads in IE. It is not browsable. Very unprofessional. Get the site fixed, and I will give it a decent review. Until then, keep working on it. See the attached screenshot. Remember it is in IE 6.0. Last thing I will say, with an attitude like you have, your sites will not do well. Remember when you do not make a site compatible with all browsers you lose visitors. Not only do you lose those visitors, but anyone they would have told about the site. Instead your site gets a terrible review, and you lose out on visitors. Think about it, and consider making the site cross compatible.

0 out of 10

**boyevul** · 04-29-2004, 01:25 AM

gee and ya think that the 1024x768 for best review didn't give itself away, huh? it pops up with scroll bars because your resolution isnt set to the recommended... besides, its a personal site - of course its "unprofressional"

**yarrgh** · 04-29-2004, 02:27 AM

ok, 98% of your visitors are IE because it doesn't work in anything else. duh. never design a website to only work in one browser and one resolution, or one anything. the whole point of the internet and web pages is to be able to reach everyone--no matter what operating system they use, or how old their computer is or anything. if you design your site to look good only on your computer thats the only place it will look good. even other computers with the same browser and resolution will inevitably read your site differently. you have to make it versatile.

i am totally put off by the horrendus frames errors that happen on my computer. you got to put the bare minimum effort in and make it compatable, or else don't put it on the web and only show it to people who visit you in your room, so they can see it the way it was designed to be.

0 out of 10

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**D_Blackwell** · 04-29-2004, 02:56 AM

The previous reviews are correct. It's got some problems, and they start with your attitude. I doesn't sound like you are looking to learn. I design in Firefox (a free download, as are they all), and test in IE 6. This will prevent almost all problems form the start. (After this, I test in a variety of browsers to tweak out the little glitches that will crop up.) IE 6 is the worst major browser available. It has serious probems with standards compliant code. The real value for you, from Opera, etc is that it will help you to learn how to create a higher quality site. I know that 90+% of my clients visitors are using IE, but that doesn't mean my standards have to be that low.

Why the frames? They have their place, but I don't see it here.

I had some serious nav problems when I switched over to IE. From your ActiveX?? (Another reason to use something else.)

From an SEO perspective, the iframe is not an effective way to pimp a link operation.

There is a lot of help available if you will accept it.

**tonya** · 04-29-2004, 06:41 AM

I was at a loss to know where to start with this review. Firstly I was not sure how I could seriously review a site that upon entering tried to get my machine to install gaming software that I couldnt close down and then in the front (blog) page used bad language and a porn link in the first few paragraphs.

I somewhat sympathise with your viewpoint re wierd and wonderful browsers but I also agree with some of the reviewers so far about the way you express your viewpoint. Way to act professionally ????

That said if you want a review you got it. I dont mind sites that use small frames like this especially if they are personal sites because as you say that arent meant to be professional however...

small white text on black was hard to read. The frame dissapeared out of view and I wasnt sure I had hit the bottom. I didnt find the navigation as easy as you think it is which is a shame as there is actually a fair of bit of content and some of it quite interesting.

I dont go for the bad language and thats my biggest beef i guess that & the game thing. but hey I guess maybe I have to remember I do work with professionals and have viewers that wouldnt think much of me using language like yours on my personal site.

good for content but an overall bad I am afraid & rethink the way you choose to express your opinions!

**mikai** · 04-29-2004, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boyevul

I just pulled a major site overhaul and think everybody will pleased with the results;

the entrance is easy to find; flash menu, very organized, no wasted space.

please give me your comments! i am very pleased with this, but am also anxious to hear everybody elses thoughts.

every body review please! or at least leave a comment on the guestbook!

You are asking for comments and everybodies thoughts, you shouldn't get kind of touchy when they respond...are you looking for opinions or would you rather that they say what you want them to say? When I made my first site 'beta', everything was on one page and kind of confusing to navigate. Yes, I took everyone's opinions to heart negative and/or positive but, at the same time...I did not re-design my site to center 'around' them...it's still orlanimation.com. It was my very first website, I didn't have a clue. I realized tyhat yeah, it was kind of confusing even though I tested it with two people that don't own computers and I watched them navigate through my first site just fine, wierd eh? So, I broke my site up in many sections so the loading time is not so bad AND I have file size warnings if they are over 100kb...so 56kers would know if the next link is going to take a while. Aw heck, I even have an assistance button that you can mouse over and it highlights areas and gives simple directions AND you can go to my assistance page that lists explanations about the buttons, what they are, ect., thumbnails, what they are, etc. I want a child to be able to navigate through my site with ease. It's in Flash but, it's not 'Flashy', ya know? Even with my highspeed, I don't have the time to wait for some of the Flash sites out there, toooo long. Very well done but, I lack the patience I suppose. I just redid my site and now, i'm thinking about re-designing it again so the loading time would be faster for some of my jpg's and such. I want to have an art forum for children in which I would help them with their art, I want an ecommerce section so i can sell lmy art online including accepting credit cards, etc., etc., etc. I don't have the knowledge to do so right now, but it's always a learning process. Sorry about the long post, peace.

**Cory** · 04-29-2004, 02:32 PM

Sorry, but I'm going to have to go with the majority here. My settings are on the best resolution you say would be for viewing your website, and yet it's very hard to read and navigate. The little boxes linking to other websites are very cheesy looking, and it took me over 5 minutes to figure out how to go to another page on the site and be able to navigate around. The large logo on the top is probably something that can either be deleted completely or simply resized.

To pass off the very unprofessional look as saying "It's just a personal website" is not convincing at all. If it looks unprofessional, chances are people are not going to want to come back. Of course, if people like that kind of language all over the place, the links on the front page, then by all means.

I was very unimpressed with your website, as well as your reaction to the other reviews after you specifically asked for comments.

0 of 10

**ngc7293** · 04-30-2004, 12:21 PM

Hmf, it looks like I have to be the opposite of everyone here. I had no trouble getting into the website (once I found the Enter "button").

I have no trouble with the way the menu is layed out. It's kind of interesting to have the menu on the right instead of the common left.

By the way, I am using IE6 /Mozilla Firefox. In both browsers I had no issue.

On the otherhand, I am behind a firewall right now and would have to see the site when I got home from work.

**techwench** · 04-30-2004, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ngc7293

Hmf, it looks like I have to be the opposite of everyone here. I had no trouble getting into the website (once I found the Enter "button").

That's because the site has been changed (in the last day or two, I would imagine)...the frames have been removed.

**Cory** · 04-30-2004, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by prissed

That's because the site has been changed (in the last day or two, I would imagine)...the frames have been removed.

This is true. I find it actually a bit nicer/easier to navigate now.

Ooh look! He made a post about us in his blog! *feels special*

Just as a sidenote, if you don't want comments/critiques, don't make a thread like this. Seriously, man. You asked for it.

With site content aside, it looks much better now, and easier to navigate.

Navigation: 6 of 10
Content: 1 of 10
Attitude towards comments/critiques: -10 of 10

**tonya** · 04-30-2004, 01:59 PM

Despite being told if I was a forum reviewer that "I want you to ****ing leave." I still decided to come back here and add another comment. Why? Because you asked for them by posting on the forum in the first place.

If all you wanted was nice pats on the back and people to tell you how amazing your site was rather than peoples actual thoughts and opinions then email your gran !

You asked for reviews by posting and what happens is people go look at your site then come back and comment and if they spot things they think could benefit from review or mistakes or have thoughts on improvement suprise suprise but they will tell u so.

That said actually big improvement. Naviation much better and always thought some of the content was pretty good. Do u want me to mention some of the links in Cliques dont work or not?

Anyway well done the sites actually pretty good for personal site & better now that its been changed in terms of navigation.
Attitide - I read your info & realised how old you are.

**swate** · 04-30-2004, 04:53 PM

sites hard to read, I wanted to leave as soon as I got there, I think changing some things around and making the site clean and easy to read would be great.

**boyevul** · 05-04-2004, 08:08 PM

sorry it took so long.. but

"ok, 98% of your visitors are IE because it doesn't work in anything else"

yes, i suppose that i am directly responsible for 42,991 people using internet explorer. and i suppose that they got ie because they wanted to view my site, and that was the sole purpose for using it.. right?

anyway - navigation on the left, fits in 800x600, closed all tags so it should be viewable... again, all of this is on my laptop, because i dont have 20 computers lying around the house, each with its own setting, that i can test the site on.

www.boyevul.net

still having problems? let me know

**blelisa** · 05-05-2004, 04:52 PM

Just wanted to add my two cents....Very confusing, busy site. I would suggest talking alot of the info and text on the page and break it out to other pages and spread out the info.

**boyevul** · 05-05-2004, 05:23 PM

yeah i thought about that but then decided against it

**Xxxxxpp** · 05-05-2004, 10:18 PM

i just wanted to say your attitude needs some urgent improvement.
i'm not even going to visit your site because you don't deserve help or suggestions.

**SEbasic** · 05-06-2004, 02:04 PM

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