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Old 01-09-2005, 05:46 PM
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maybe you should work on your site a little more before you start giving away make-overs?
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Old 01-09-2005, 11:45 PM
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agreed

Theres alot you could change on your site to help maintain it, and perhaps you should change up the graphics so its not an eye sore

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Old 01-10-2005, 03:31 PM
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I'm somewhat a newbie (6 months) in web design [...] Everyone needs to start somewhere! I remember my very first web design...it was much worse and a embarassment to all web designers.
A bit arrogant for a newbie, aren't you. I've been involved in web development projects for four years, and I have a pretty good idea of what works and doesn't work in terms of design.

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If I could give some constructive criticism: Use Adobe Photoshop or better graphic design tool.
Don't see a need for another graphics design program, the quality of the graphics are perfectly fine. BTW, this coming from someone who has a grainy banner on their own site.
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Intergrate .php or other scripting
How do you know we haven't already; PHP is executed at the server and doesn't show up in the source code

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I don't mean to be offensive, and I admit my typing is bad.. i type VERY fast and i have alot of typos. All of my reviews are to the point. I am only trying to help you.
If typing fast means that you don't know what you're typing, then maybe you should slow down. I didn't really see a point to your review, aside from expressing your distaste for the website in a suspiciously passionate manner. Simply stating that the website is not clear and not professional without being able to point out anything specific is not particularly helpful.
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If you want me to be more consructive.. I will do so now. Your website isnt valid HTML 4.01.
So when asked to be more constructive and specific, this is what you came up with? Rummage through our source code, like a hungry bear on the prowl for scraps of food, to find a few insignificant errors. As a PS and a helpful hint this would be more appreciated, but as the main back-up for your earlier statements I'm afraid that this stretches a bit thin. You still are not able to point out what is "not clean" and "not professional", and why the "graphics DO NOT look professional". I get the impression that this is more of an abstract feeling that you get, for some reason, when viewing the site. But hey, you have a right to your opinion. However, seeing as you're posting it under the guise of "being helpful and constructive" I equally have the right to point out posts that are not helpful and constructive. After I did so, it had the effect of making posters at least make an effort to be somewhat more constructive -- yourself included.
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Your website isnt valid HTML 4.01. You have alot of errors in your source code, you should fix em
We don't have errors per se, only in regards to 4.01 Transitional. However, I don't think you should be the first person to point out errors seeing as you have enough with your own website. You have a lot of errors, your site is not valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional.

This is a project that we are donating our time to and, seeing as this is not in abundance, we are on a tight schedule. The reason the site is not validated exactly as HTML 4.01. transitional is because of something called cross browser compatibility. Same reason we use tables instead of CSS. Also, our website displays useful information in under 8 seconds on a 56k connection -- which is not bad. It loads completely in 11 sec. as opposed to your site which loads in 17.8 sec.

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"The site looks ok I guess. But then whats wrong with the critecism, you put your site up for review and you can't complain if you get negative reviews, you can't just expect posotive ones."
I never complained about getting negative reviews, I only pointed out that they were not constructive or helpful. If you bother to read the forum rules for site reviews you'll notice that it tells you "Offer as much constructive comments as possible. Simply posting "Nice Site" won't qualify". If you see something that can be improved, if you have something constructive to say (good or bad) then let me know. However, I'm not interested in hearing meaningless statements such as "Nice Site" or "Your Site Is Ugly". You see, if you have nothing useful to say you should not post a review. The forum rules are very clear on this, and by reminding you lot of this I am only helping others (and possibly yourself) get more constructive and meaningful reviews on your websites
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Old 01-10-2005, 06:46 PM
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A bit arrogant for a newbie, aren't you. I've been involved in web development projects for four years, and I have a pretty good idea of what works and doesn't work in terms of design.


Don't see a need for another graphics design program, the quality of the graphics are perfectly fine. BTW, this coming from someone who has a grainy banner on their own site.

How do you know we haven't already; PHP is executed at the server and doesn't show up in the source code

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If typing fast means that you don't know what you're typing, then maybe you should slow down. I didn't really see a point to your review, aside from expressing your distaste for the website in a suspiciously passionate manner. Simply stating that the website is not clear and not professional without being able to point out anything specific is not particularly helpful.

So when asked to be more constructive and specific, this is what you came up with? Rummage through our source code, like a hungry bear on the prowl for scraps of food, to find a few insignificant errors. As a PS and a helpful hint this would be more appreciated, but as the main back-up for your earlier statements I'm afraid that this stretches a bit thin. You still are not able to point out what is "not clean" and "not professional", and why the "graphics DO NOT look professional". I get the impression that this is more of an abstract feeling that you get, for some reason, when viewing the site. But hey, you have a right to your opinion. However, seeing as you're posting it under the guise of "being helpful and constructive" I equally have the right to point out posts that are not helpful and constructive. After I did so, it had the effect of making posters at least make an effort to be somewhat more constructive -- yourself included.

We don't have errors per se, only in regards to 4.01 Transitional. However, I don't think you should be the first person to point out errors seeing as you have enough with your own website. You have a lot of errors, your site is not valid XHTML 1.0 Transitional.

This is a project that we are donating our time to and, seeing as this is not in abundance, we are on a tight schedule. The reason the site is not validated exactly as HTML 4.01. transitional is because of something called cross browser compatibility. Same reason we use tables instead of CSS. Also, our website displays useful information in under 8 seconds on a 56k connection -- which is not bad. It loads completely in 11 sec. as opposed to your site which loads in 17.8 sec.

Antsy and ZeebleHosting wrote:

I never complained about getting negative reviews, I only pointed out that they were not constructive or helpful. If you bother to read the forum rules for site reviews you'll notice that it tells you "Offer as much constructive comments as possible. Simply posting "Nice Site" won't qualify". If you see something that can be improved, if you have something constructive to say (good or bad) then let me know. However, I'm not interested in hearing meaningless statements such as "Nice Site" or "Your Site Is Ugly". You see, if you have nothing useful to say you should not post a review. The forum rules are very clear on this, and by reminding you lot of this I am only helping others (and possibly yourself) get more constructive and meaningful reviews on your websites

You realize you just went and tried to defend yourself in a seemlingly hostile way against half the people who are trying to help you...that really gets me angry - I'm new here and so are you but you should realize people are TRYING TO HELP YOU. You asked what could be done and what people thought, they are telling you!

Now I will come out and say it, because I know everyone is thinking it...

YOUR SITE SUCKS...it's ugly, loads slow, has horrible graphics, has code errors and literally HURTS MY EYES. How do you expect to give out "website makeovers" when you're site needs a make-over more than the girl with no prom date on "MTV Make-Overs"?

STOP being hostile with everyone who is trying to help you - they were nice about it and you slapped them in the face!

HERE IS MY CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM: Be Nice to those who offer you advice, wether you agree with it or not.
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Old 01-10-2005, 08:45 PM
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This post is
#1 reason to buy mediamasters2, seen right here

Websites on ebay for $1 that look better. Maybe buy a few, and give those ones out, you might have a happier end user. You need more examples to start bro. Not just two incomplete examples!

my critisism here:

1. Your header is too large, i am using 1024x768 and just your header takes up most the screen
2. Loose the steel bars and the horns.
3. take the links on the right and throw them into a bar across the top...
4. Lighter colours, start by looking closely to your #07 example, it is better in colour poor in design.
5. And last but not least, add something to the page maybe a stock photo... I can sell you some if you like or im sure you have some if your planning on making sites.


And dont worry young newbie grasshopper, my site is coming up next for review... And Im looking forward to all critisism, its how weve gotten to where we are in overall design from people yelling at me here. Though we are different from you in site mannor, we have not made a cent nor is it our dedicated job either, just a passion and goal.
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Old 01-11-2005, 12:39 AM
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Thank you NickRac, I :heart: you

lol

Kebron.. we only tried to help

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So when asked to be more constructive and specific, this is what you came up with? Rummage through our source code, like a hungry bear on the prowl for scraps of food, to find a few insignificant errors.
Actually I look at everyones source code to help them out...

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We don't have errors per se
Then why the **** are you here, we dont want you

People like you just **** me off. Instead of saying nicely "Oh i disagree, why do you think my site is ugly" you just try ot defend yourself and cut others down.

Please go somewhere else, if you took the time to post your site here why not listen to us instead of just defending yourself..doesnt do anyone any good.. cept maybe your pride?

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Old 01-11-2005, 04:02 PM
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Hiya Kebron,

OK, I read through all the posts, and am not about to get into any firey discussions, but!...Initially you stated you were a "group of web professionals ", so I guess folks here really expected a higher calibre of design skills, and perhaps more samples of your work. Whilst the silver grey with green arrow link buttons was pleasant enough, and clean...it wouldnt inspire me too much, considering everything else available. The digital age site, although again clean, would be the sort of site I would glance at, but think very "samey" as others Id seen.
Everyone designs to their own taste (to a point) I do too, but overall I would have to agree with some points made.

As far as design goes, (and this is generic knowledge) :

1. There are certain shades of colours which are simply to distracting to users (for example, Im dyslexic and wear blue specs to surf) your site scared me!...Its too harsh in colour combination. Try a slightly deeper (blood) red shade perhaps?

2. The elementals/graphics lack polish or aliasing, the text colours dont match the graphics colours, and the while feel of your site is just "kinda dated". Ive kept 8 previous versions of my personal hobby site (www.palegallery.net) and look back at the first ones I did, Im still proud of what I acheived then, but I realise they would have no place in my portfolio anymore.

3. The actual content, the way its worded strikes me as lacking in grace, yet your blast at someone elses post was most eloquent...strange mix?

4. I appreciate no-one likes critiscism, Im not a fan of it either!, but you did ask folks to take time to look at your site, we did, and sadly, its not really our fault we dont like it!...Plenty of folks dont like the way I design either, but when they take the time to comment, I take the time to reply individually on the comments made, rather than continuing to "advertise" (re your pending award....it might be better if you include a link to this site for folks to view too

5. To improve this site, I would search the web for other designers, award winners etc, and gain some insight into what "design" is really about right now, it's forever changing after all!. There are loads I love, and would love to have the talent to re-create, thats part of what keeps me learning I think!

Anyway, good luck, its a great idea, but I would take time to learn a few more tricks, and see what other designers are up to.
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Old 01-11-2005, 04:09 PM
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BTW, Fara?....I really love the look and feel of your tutorial tomb!....just thought Id say!....really neat site, very with it and easy to get engrossed in!

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Old 01-11-2005, 04:16 PM
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You realize you just went and tried to defend yourself in a seemlingly hostile way against half the people who are trying to help you...that really gets me angry - I'm new here and so are you but you should realize people are TRYING TO HELP YOU.
LMAO Go take a cold shower!

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You asked what could be done and what people thought...
Exactly! What can be done, not just "I hate your site". You see, it doesn't matter if the criticism is good or bad as long as it is constructive. Again, the forum rules for site reviews are very clear on this -- seeing as you are new here, I suggest you go read them .

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Instead of saying nicely "Oh i disagree, why do you think my site is ugly" you just try ot defend yourself and cut others down.
If you can't post a constructive review without me having to ask you for it, then why do you bother posting? Go look at my review of your site, THAT was constructive. I started off by observing that it did not look professional, however, unlike you I did not stop there; I backed it up by pointing out what I thought was wrong with the site and how this could be improved.
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People like you just **** me off.
lol Steady now, take a deep breath. I see no reason for you to start throwing tantrums just because we have a minor disagreement on how to post site reviews -- and yes, it is minor, because if you think this is huge then you should really get out more! Now cut the keyboard bravery and act like an adult.

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I appreciate no-one likes critiscism, Im not a fan of it either!
On the contrary, I appreciate constructive-criticism -- after all, it is how we better ourselves. However, what I do not appreciate are posts only containing short sentences such as "I hate your site/your site is ugly".
I appreciated your review, because there was substance in your post. Thank you for taking the time
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:13 PM
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On the contrary, I appreciate constructive-criticism -- after all, it is how we better ourselves. However, what I do not appreciate are posts only containing short sentences such as "I hate your site/your site is ugly".
I appreciated your review, because there was substance in your post.
BS dude.. your full of it... improve your site if you want business... ATM it sucks

GL...
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Old 01-11-2005, 05:56 PM
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Look Kebron, you posted here because you wanted an opinion, you got an opinion and didn't like it and started saying that everybody who posted here just doesn't have a good taste. Now you can't post somewhere asking for opions and expect everybody to say "oh its amazing"
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Old 01-11-2005, 06:52 PM
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Hey,

I've been watching this post for a while now just reading the arguments lol!

And it's come to this so i thought i'd post.

Kebron, brilliant idea, but to be completely honest, i haven't reviewed your site because i left it straight away. To give away free makeovers you need to sell yourself, and one thing your website is not doing is selling itself. You seem to think you are superior to everyone else, that is not true. Sure, no one can be perfect at webdesign, and there are a lot of people in this post better at web designing than you, if you can't recognise that you serioulsy need to either a) be slapped hard around the face and be woken up or b) seriously consider a future in web development.

In conclusion, work on your website, you have an idea work now with it. Your banner is good, and you have a good sense of layout. If you look at any website, you can determine the structure of it, however on your there is no sense of balance or internal structure.

If you try to bring me down and cut me off go ahead, i know i'm not perfect at web designing but i know i can design a website (this is my site).

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Old 01-11-2005, 07:23 PM
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Look Kebron, you posted here because you wanted an opinion, you got an opinion and didn't like it and started saying that everybody who posted here just doesn't have a good taste.
Now you're just putting words in my mouth, I never said everyone here had poor taste.
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Now you can't post somewhere asking for opions and expect everybody to say "oh its amazing".
I can't believe you still have not understood my point. Not gonna tell you again, just go back and re-read. Good luck.

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To give away free makeovers you need to sell yourself, and one thing your website is not doing is selling itself.
Perhaps not to you, but we still get a lot of submissions.
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You seem to think you are superior to everyone else
No I don't, and the fact that you think I do only tells me something about you.
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If you try to bring me down and cut me off go ahead, i know i'm not perfect at web designing but i know i can design a website
Relax, I'm not going to try and "cut you off" or "bring you down". I don't bite lol.
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If you look at any website, you can determine the structure of it, however on your there is no sense of balance or internal structure.
Would you mind elaborating?
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Old 01-11-2005, 08:09 PM
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Do you at least agree of my points??? Man, i tried to put in some good responses there and got nothing back!


Why in the world are you giving away free websites, is this a papertrail for a charity or fundrasier? I asked you this because you jumped into probably thee best online webmaster forum on the net and said only breifly who you are as an introduction to a profeisley ugly site. You are not a demographically aimed website, so why would you not take the critisism with pride and listen to us since were the ones that your aiming the site towards (the people with websites already)!!! People are only signing up to your freewebsite just to get a response, whether its a good laugh or an introduction to an odd 6th sense towards marketing it is just a response theyre looking for out of your contest, not a site with no sense of art appeal! Would you seriously buy a newspaper that was black/red and had evil looking horoscope reminding devil horns on the front page??? And do you honestly think you are the only one whos ever been laughed at from a designers end? Your getting these responses now only because youve resorted to fighting back and now look, you missed out on the chance to return to us on a professional level for future feedback without an unbiased opinion.

At that, i wish you adoo

I have better things i need to get to, i just needed a good laugh away from work

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Old 01-11-2005, 08:56 PM
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[b]Your getting these responses now only because youve resorted to fighting back and now look, you missed out on the chance to return to us on a professional level for future feedback without an unbiased opinion.
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Old 01-11-2005, 11:06 PM
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Hi Kebron,

Im wonderig if there might be a better way to go with this?...just an afterthought?
You mentioned in one of your posts you have been invloved with webdesign projects for over four years, perhaps if you offered some of those project sites as links here, we might all get a better grasp of your personal talents, rather than just kinda "grade" one site?...Just a thought.

I have to be totally honest, even though I commented on your site, and your response was in no way rude to me, having re-read some of your replies to the others who took time to look at your site (gees, one of mine took AGEs to even get a response!..lol) I *cringe* have to admit, that I can understand why others here would find your erm, 2tone2 or responses rather, well...offhand, aloof and kinda "above your site design". *ducks*

I know we all have different ideas of design, I really do, and there is no actual "right or wrong" only what the client wants!, but I did go look again, and I really do feel it just "jars".

All the elements for a standard site are already there, and I didnt find it slow or difficult to navigate, just the overall look for me didnt work.
I appreciate there are loads of folks with website that require makeovers, and I think your offer is great!, I suppose that having been here a wee while now, (personally) I AM used to seeing more professional looking sites when they carry such haughty retorts to postings?...

However, replies and blastings really have nothing to do with webdesign at all, and I still think it might be an idea for your team to just take a coupla hours and surf...one site I adore for its ideas (and the sites it awards) is www.fcukstar.com (and no Im not being rude!)
It holds some of the most up-to-date and well presented sites Ive seen. Ok, so on some the navigation is less traditional, but I really hope to get one of my sites up there some day!...

Right, Im *ducking and running now*...

Cheers, scotia
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Old 01-13-2005, 04:58 PM
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People, people, spare me your self-righteous indignation. If you feel that I've somehow offended you then please just ignore this thread, don't post. I'm going to make this simple:

If you don't like the website but feel you have concrete suggestions on how to improve it then please post about it.

If you only wish to express your intense dislike for the site without any constructive suggestions then don't post.

Thank you.
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