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Old 10-15-2009, 06:34 PM Help with making this layout work???
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Hi, I'm Sy, and first off I'd like to say I've posted this same thing at other forums, and found them not as active as this one...so my apologies if you see them, but I just need to get this done by Tuesday...and noone on campus is available to help.


Hi Designers, I'm new here and I'm a film/video student, but I'm taking a website/flash class (even though I have some kind of idea from online tutorials).
Anyway, I was just wondering if you'd take a look at my conceived visual layout for the site I'm trying to build. It's a fictional town website, and I'm doing it for an assignment. The only requirement is it needs more than 8 pages, and has to only use html and css. I'd MUCH rather make this smooth type of design in Flash...it'd be so much easier and I think I could make it look better.

Here is the design:



Now, I'm not asking for you to make this site for me...just some help and pointers from the experts...I think I lack the designer's touch you could have. And technically, it's just a nightmare...I don't know how to make the things rounded and smooth like in the picture, and I'm having trouble aligning the elements like I planned....I thought if I made all those measurements I could align them with no problem when it came to programming it, but they don't act the same way at all. It just comes down to alot of guessing...and feeling like the measurements were a waste of time. (The banner was a nightmare.) (Positioning in CSS hurts)

So I'd just like some feedback, and tips for positioning things, sizing, etc. I'm sure you understand all the problems presented as you once had to do it....

Thanks!
Sy"

(Also: I'm doing everything in percentages because I feel it's more flexible for the screen the user has, and would show up and resize to the best format on every screen/browser. I get the feeling I'm doing it wrong, and there's a better way. Help??)

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Old 10-15-2009, 07:57 PM Re: Help with making this layout work???
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w3schools.com learn css....css will control everything you want to do.... also, if there is only one part that changes on the page ( i think you mentioned that) use php includes...

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Old 10-15-2009, 09:52 PM Re: Help with making this layout work???
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I'm not sure if this is what you're asking, but here's how I'd probably set up the basic layout. Hopefully the names I've given to the ids and classes make sense as far as what they're supposed to do. Those aren't the names I would use in practice, but I tried to be somewhat description

HTML Code:
<div id="wrapper">
	<div id="left-column">
		<ul id="menu">
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
			<li></li>
		</ul>
	</div>
	
	<div id="right-column">
		<div id="banner"></div>
		<div id="content">
			<h1>Title</h1>
			<p class="floatleft">short summary</p>
			<div class="floatright clearright">Home</div>
			<div class="floatright clearright">Page 1</div>
			<div class="floatright clearright">Part 2</div>
			<p class="clearboth">copyright</p>
		</div>
	</div>
</div>
As far as adding the curved borders you have a couple of options.

If you don't care about internet explorer you can use the css border-radius property. In Mozilla based browsers you'd use -moz-border-radius and in webkit based browsers you'd use -webkit-border-radius

I'm guessing this needs to work in IE though. In that case you'd either need to make every curve an image, which is a pain or use JavaScript. If you look up 'jquery rounder corner' there's a jQuery plugin that makes it pretty easy to round borders. Ultimately it works like the css border radius, but uses javascript instead.

Usually with a website you aren't trying to be pixel perfect, because you can never control exactly how someone will view a web page. generally you want to be more flexible and not worry about a px here or there. There's no reason though why you can't get everything to line up the way you have it drawn.

For the layout think floats instead of positioning. To add space between the different blocks think margin. To add space inside a block think padding.

The way I see your layout (and the way I set up the html above) is:

A wrapper div around everything. This would also hold the background (color or image) you have behind everything.

2 columns - menu on left. Everything else on right

Inside the right column you have a div holding the banner followed by your title enclosed in an html heading tag. Below that you would float a paragraph or a div with several paragraphs to the left for your description. You would then have three blocks (all divs I think) that would be floated to the right and containing the home, page 1, and part 2 respectively. Each of these block would also use clear: right to clear floated elements on the right and not clear the floated element on the left.

I hope some of the above helps.
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Old 10-16-2009, 04:33 PM Re: Help with making this layout work???
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I'd MUCH rather make this smooth type of design in Flash...it'd be so much easier and I think I could make it look better.
There's really no reason that kind of site has to be flash. You might want to have a look at www.csszengarden.com for a look at what can be achieved with just HTML and CSS!
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