Originally Posted by sem1

http://www.google.com/technology/
this says it all about PageRank...and it comes from a Google.

Sem1, this also comes from Google and it talks about how Google uses PageRank AND NUMEROUS OTHER FACTORS to rank its sites:

http://www.google.com/corporate/tech.html

for me, PR is just an indicator of how valuable your site is. most SEOs focuses more on driving traffic and rankings in SERPs than on PageRank

No they don't, and that's part of the problem, corlock. The post immediately above yours touches on it.

Most SEOs tend to focus on PageRank first, then rankings, then traffic...this is ***-backward logic at best. The traffic matters (since rank checking is useless), then PR and rank checking are tied (since both are useless.)

PageRank hasn't got anything to do with value either. Some sites have high PR because the webmasters gone around getting links from everywhere, so it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with value.

Focus on QUALITY traffic for once rather than worrying about a little green bar in your toolbar

Toolbar PR is just approximate value for the site's ranking. To prove yype a term on google and open first 10 sites. You will see that they are often not page rank sorted

Originally Posted by freediver

Toolbar PR is just approximate value for the site's ranking. To prove yype a term on google and open first 10 sites. You will see that they are often not page rank sorted

The search engine rankings are determined by Google's internal PageRank - something that people don't have access to. The toolbar PageRank is only one of over 100 methods used to determine the internal PageRank

Daniel, I think that's what freediver was implying.

Originally Posted by vangogh

Daniel, I think that's what freediver was implying.

Probably me being too hasty then Sorry freediver

Well said. But the mystery is still out there, how do you obtain the first result for a specific keyword every time... It seems the results change every day/hour almost minute for some of our keyword searches. Keeps you on your toes and constantly guessing.

A lot goes into it John and what works for one site isn't necessarily the right thing for another site. It's also about more than one specific keyword and being #1 all the time isn't as important is it seems.

It's all a balance that starts with building something useful and marketing to the right people.

Originally Posted by johnterzakis

Well said. But the mystery is still out there, how do you obtain the first result for a specific keyword every time...

You don't. That's not a goal that can be achieved. It's also not a goal worth your energy.

Ya its true that PR is not the main factor...all in all is that you have to bring more visitors to your site. And that will be more if your keywords's SERP are higher...

Hi Guys,

But Who really knows how Toolbar PR works?, well certainly I don't but what I know for sure is that we have client websites with PR0 or PR2 and they come up firts in Google Regionally and Organically.

So, does it really matter? Personally I don't think so.

Ripe

This the whole point!

Toolbar PR does nothing other than fill a space on the Google Toolbar.

Yep used Google Earth and seen my house from space It's kinda off the thread topic though!

When building, designing, making a website we have a goal to share whatever we have with the biggest audience in the world - the internet audience.
Please tell me how many people not involved with the industry actually know what page rank is. To see it in your bar you need to download it and switch it on. General user does not know the difference. As for the positioning in Google you do not need page rank to come on top even with big competition.

Pagerank only helps to get you url crawled deeply right? The most important thing is the content of your site.

Originally Posted by ourktm

Pagerank only helps to get you url crawled deeply right?

I'm not sure if it even does that. PageRank is practically worthless these days

Dan, Matt Cutts has stated in the past that PR is used to determine the frequency and depth of crawls. Just because Matt says it doesn't automatically make it true, but in this case it is the common wisdom.

I will say that PR has no relation with keyword rankings......you can read more here
http://sphinn.com/story/10672