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Google is killing me... Help please
06-28-2007, 11:28 PM
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Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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My site is having a terrible time with Google. Id say 3/4 of it is in supplemental. Ive hired SEO people, tried new things, etc and still we are in it. We do come out for awhile, at least some fall off the list, then they come back on down the road.
This is a miva site and we do have all Dynamic links showing as static. We have all our titles in <H1> and description done the best we can for the products.
We have done so many things to try to get out of this dilemma im beginning to go insane at this point.
One thing Specifically I wanted to ask you is about my titles. By a module, each title is listed of the Category or the product shown AND behind it is a slogan that one of the SEO people I hired in the past told me to do, For instance, the product is a "Cut Chemise", so the system would have the title showing "Cut Chemise - Buy Now!" same would go for a category title.
He claimed this would help sales..... But im wonder if this even though the front part of the title changes, the last part "Buy - Now" would or could be throwing it into supplemental as its the same words for all the titles.
At this point im just trying to figure out all angles that may be causing this.
If anyone has the time, or just wants to help a fellow e dude out, please id appreciate all comments and suggestions.
Thank you for your time...
Dan
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/
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06-28-2007, 11:46 PM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 509
Name: CHRIS
Location: I live in Google's Home State
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One thing I can suggest is putting up anchor text as it never hurts anything, instead of regular links. Supplmental results are any results that are the same, although I have many of those as well, it does not seem to hurt the back links (for traffic) or to help my search engine ranking which gets me more traffic hopefully this will help, if you don't know how to do anchor text look it up.
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06-29-2007, 12:03 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 147
Name: Jordan
Location: Chicago, IL
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Vasity, let me guess that your word of the day is "anchor text," right?
Datagg, oh la la. Anyway, I realize that you were referencing Google with this so this is going to be SLIGHTLY off topic, but looking at the site, my first impression is that it could really be touched up. It doesn't strike me as site for linqerie if I weren't to see the images first. I would definitely consider spicing up the website with a new redesign, to add more flare, uniqueness as well as giving it a better atmosphere. Update it so it rivals with other companies that are in your market =)
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06-29-2007, 12:22 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 509
Name: CHRIS
Location: I live in Google's Home State
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This is going on harrasment and am going to make a post in suggestins and feedback to see if anything can be done about all of this.
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06-29-2007, 12:23 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by Vasity
One thing I can suggest is putting up anchor text as it never hurts anything, instead of regular links. Supplmental results are any results that are the same, although I have many of those as well, it does not seem to hurt the back links (for traffic) or to help my search engine ranking which gets me more traffic hopefully this will help, if you don't know how to do anchor text look it up.
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Thanks for comments Vasity.... I do have anchor text on main page..Perhaps im doing it wrong, i dunno..This google thing has been a real hassle of the years.
And thanks for the redesign comment.... We have gone thru many changes in looks.... Its a Miva site, so its all module stuff and all.... so on that front its a bit on the hard side.... Anyways, do you have any ideas..I did have a background, yet allot said it blended things to much with the text..Allot said white, sopme said black, so many different opinions...
Ive change the site so many times..... and I appreciate all comments, I just dont know what way to go.... especially my problem is mostly the engines. Based on conversions, we aren't doing bad.... but its hard to tell, if traffic would increase it would indicate much more...
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06-29-2007, 12:30 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 509
Name: CHRIS
Location: I live in Google's Home State
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As long as the anchor text is the text you want.
You need to put out more anchor text throughout the net with your keyword in it.
So you can be higher listed in Google . This = More traffic.
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06-29-2007, 01:18 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by Vasity
As long as the anchor text is the text you want.
You need to put out more anchor text throughout the net with your keyword in it.
So you can be higher listed in Google . This = More traffic.
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Vasity, I changed the site to what we had last week..... It has the background i had that some said blended things to much.... What do you think? I think it ads some more character to it, imo
As far as anchor text, you mean for like links exchanged...
sorry if im not being the smartest here on the block, my mind just is so fried with all the things people are telling me to do as far as suggestions go..... especially for Google..... none have worked thus far yet, so im searchng for other solutions....
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06-29-2007, 02:15 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 3,023
Name: Forrest Croce
Location: Seattle, WA
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Originally Posted by Datagg
One thing Specifically I wanted to ask you is about my titles. By a module, each title is listed of the Category or the product shown AND behind it is a slogan that one of the SEO people I hired in the past told me to do, For instance, the product is a "Cut Chemise", so the system would have the title showing "Cut Chemise - Buy Now!" same would go for a category title.
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You have 1,320 pages in Google's index. Your best links seem to come from SEO forums and MySpace, then from link partners and directories. I only looked through the first couple pages, and only briefly, but if those are your best links, I'm guessing most of them point right at your domain, and few or none point out to your sub pages. That's why 3/4 are in the supplemental index.
But to answer your question, some of my page titles that aren't in the supplemental index, and actaully doing pretty well are:
You can see a theme going on here ... lots of repetition in the titles of different pages, and yet each one is unique. Or at least should be, I need to go back and make sure of that. This is at the advice of one of the extremely knowledgeable people here.
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Originally Posted by Vasity
One thing I can suggest is putting up anchor text as it never hurts anything, instead of regular links. Supplmental results are any results that are the same, although I have many of those as well, it does not seem to hurt the back links (for traffic) or to help my search engine ranking which gets me more traffic hopefully this will help, if you don't know how to do anchor text look it up.
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Regular links are text links, and all text links have anchor text. Deciding what the anchor text should be can help you target particular key phrases, but has absolutely nothing to do with staying out of the supplemental index.
Google says landing in the regular index or supplemental hell has everything to do with PageRank. A lot of people think duplicate content has a lot to do with it to boot. You need quality links from plenty of different sites, for each page you want to pull back into the main index. In general, a quality link means one that's going to send good traffic, but in this case, we're only talking about swaying Google's "opinion" of your site, so a quality link means one with good PR of its own, not many outgoing links, and one you had no hand in creating.
Again, to use my own site as an example, only because I'm pretty familiar with it, my links page has a PR 2, meaning it's not supplemental itself, and I've got links pointing to Sebastiao Salgado, James Natchway, and others. These people didn't ask me for a link; I'd be so honored I'd wet myself if Salgado or Art Wolfe said anything to me personally. Instead, they get links from me because they deserve to be seen, and because the people who visit my site are more likely than most to enjoy these other sites.
You need to find people who are this passionate about lingerie.
Having less pages wouldn't hurt, either, if you can redesign your site in a way that makes that possible. It'll make your job easier, but it'll also use up less resources in Google's data centers, which could help.
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06-29-2007, 03:22 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by ForrestCroce
You have 1,320 pages in Google's index. Your best links seem to come from SEO forums and MySpace, then from link partners and directories. I only looked through the first couple pages, and only briefly, but if those are your best links, I'm guessing most of them point right at your domain, and few or none point out to your sub pages. That's why 3/4 are in the supplemental index.
But to answer your question, some of my page titles that aren't in the supplemental index, and actaully doing pretty well are:
You can see a theme going on here ... lots of repetition in the titles of different pages, and yet each one is unique. Or at least should be, I need to go back and make sure of that. This is at the advice of one of the extremely knowledgeable people here.
Regular links are text links, and all text links have anchor text. Deciding what the anchor text should be can help you target particular key phrases, but has absolutely nothing to do with staying out of the supplemental index.
Google says landing in the regular index or supplemental hell has everything to do with PageRank. A lot of people think duplicate content has a lot to do with it to boot. You need quality links from plenty of different sites, for each page you want to pull back into the main index. In general, a quality link means one that's going to send good traffic, but in this case, we're only talking about swaying Google's "opinion" of your site, so a quality link means one with good PR of its own, not many outgoing links, and one you had no hand in creating.
Again, to use my own site as an example, only because I'm pretty familiar with it, my links page has a PR 2, meaning it's not supplemental itself, and I've got links pointing to Sebastiao Salgado, James Natchway, and others. These people didn't ask me for a link; I'd be so honored I'd wet myself if Salgado or Art Wolfe said anything to me personally. Instead, they get links from me because they deserve to be seen, and because the people who visit my site are more likely than most to enjoy these other sites.
You need to find people who are this passionate about lingerie.
Having less pages wouldn't hurt, either, if you can redesign your site in a way that makes that possible. It'll make your job easier, but it'll also use up less resources in Google's data centers, which could help.
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Thank you for your reply.... So your saying, that the ending Buy Now! at the end of each title is ok, as they are all different titles, except for the last part.
As for the links...wow, ive been submitting so much... I have a link program that alternates pages it refers to, its a auto type of system, seems to have worked ok as far as ease goes... But where d oi get these good links you are referring too. We have lots of articles, have a blog, have submitted articles to ezines and other article sites on the net all with anchor text pointing back to my site.... Where woudl you suggest I go to get good links... i signed up wit ha one way link joint not to long ago, yet some SEo dude told me that was bad and it will hurt me more..so i dropped it.... ive been getting so many people with so many different angels that im just losing my mind....
And of course, with a miva cart system, that has its downfalls also as most say....yet other say it doenst....so im just totaly lost and dont know what to do.
As for the pages, i have skimmed them down allot in the last year, sorted therm in categories etc..We have well over 1,000 products on site, so short of killing entire product lines im not sure what to do on that end.
Im just so lost on how to fix this....
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06-29-2007, 12:24 PM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Name: John Alexander
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Originally Posted by Datagg
i signed up wit ha one way link joint not to long ago, yet some SEo dude told me that was bad and it will hurt me more..so i dropped it.... ive been getting so many people with so many different angels that im just losing my mind....
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Was that seo dude Vasity? A lot of self proclaimed "SEO Experts" don't know the first thing about SEO, and our resident pest is certainly one of them. You're getting a lot of contradictory advice because there are a lot of idiots and snake-oil salesmen, and a few people who dole out good advice, too.
If you have a blog, use it. Don't just promote your own site, write interesting articles. You watch My Name is Earl? Catch the episode where Earl stole a police car, after his wife kicked him out of the house because she bought "romantic novelties" and he wasn't interested? Write a blog post about that episode. Write your next post about a happy couple that got over whatever marital problem by spicing up their bedroom life. Catch my drift?
Then start writing about other blogs after you have some content, link out a lot, send trackbacks, start commenting on other blogs. Don't do all this in a spammy way, actually contribute something thoughtful and unique to the conversation. That's how you go after the "linktorati" or at least how you start. This will get you noticed by people who need an ever present stream of new, unique content. Eventually some of them will get writers block, and make a post about "This guy has a better selection than Victorea's Secret, and I don't feel creepy shopping with my wife." Naturally that post will have a link back to your site.
Also, the more traffic you send out to different bloggers, the more will notice you in their web statistic logs.
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06-29-2007, 01:02 PM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 509
Name: CHRIS
Location: I live in Google's Home State
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It is always fun to write more for your blog, although I think that putting out back links should be able to increase multiple things in your website. Such as traffic, or search engine ranking, or page rank. Theses should all be things that can greatly help your website/traffic/value. Depending on what you are trying to do either way if you are getting targeted traffic that traffic generally will help your site.
(I think.)
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06-29-2007, 07:47 PM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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Thanks for all the replies yall. Yes we do have a blog on site(same domain) and have written a few articles on it....
As for who told me to do things, or not i forget, we have so many different things said and with me pulling my hair out, im sure I stopped things that i shouldn't have along the way..... Or vica versa......
Hopefully with your help I can finally end this nightmare..
Thanks again
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06-29-2007, 08:37 PM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Name: CHRIS
Location: I live in Google's Home State
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I wish you the best of luck, hopefully you rank well for your search terms =)
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06-29-2007, 10:35 PM
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Posts: 5,935
Name: Adam for web page design, not program
Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Datagg, you're going to get a whole bunch of advice from a whole bunch of idiots, and a few pieces of quality advice from people like John (Learning Newbie) and ForrestCroce. So pay attention to people like them.
In addition, pay attention to Riane's advice. If you're looking for inbound links, as in quality inbound links from sources that should be linking to you, take a good, hard, objective look at your site without worrying about SEO. Contrary to the published opinions of the great unwashed, SEO (particularly SEO for Google) is becoming more about the user experience. They're starting to look at clean code, semantic markup, things like that.
For example, the h1 tag. You should have an h1 (heading) tag on every page to describe what it's about (usually around 3-12 words). Right now, you have nothing.
Second, if you're using a MIVA cart, consider having a developer who knows SEO (like a vangogh or a chrishirst) build you a customized cart. One of the biggest problems with prebuilt carts is that they're horribly built and come with a number of issues that are both user-unfriendly and SEO-unfriendly.
Take this for example:
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/CandyPanties.html
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/candypanties.html
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/candyPanties.html
You should have one base URL (all lower-case is usually the safest route) and the other URLs should 301 to it, to avoid any duplicate content issues.
Your biggest issue is, like you said, that you've had too many SEO enhancements. You've got a blog. You've got a links page. You've got Topsites that you participate in. You've got articles. You're doing too much for SEO reasons and forgetting about your user.
If you want to keep the blog, you probably can, but I'd suggest something a little different than what John did. Give advice on how to wear the lingerie. Maybe how the different lingerie colours and styles could be used to create moods. How to have a lingerie party. That sort of stuff. In other words, keep it relevant to your store idea, but not necessarily to shamelessly plug products. You have a few posts like that, but they're buried.
To make this nice and simple, stop thinking like an "SEO" and start thinking like the owner of a business. You do that, you'll solve at least 85-90% of your problems.
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06-30-2007, 01:19 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 11,141
Name: Steven Bradley
Location: Boulder, Colorado
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Datagg you've been given some good advice by all but one person in this thread. I'll leave it to you to figure out who that one person is.
I noticed that you have the non www version of your site redirecting to the www version and I see it's been done with a 301 redirect. That's good, but I can still access the page www.domain.com/index.html That page should redirect to the main domain too. My guess is you might have other similar issues with URLs where the same page can be accessed at more than one URL. If you show different URLs for different sized or colors you probably do.
One thing I do notice is that there's very little content on your product pages. Those pages are essentially an image, a sentence, and some buttons to add to cart, etc. Adding some more content to those pages will help the site with both real people and search engines. I know it's tough to write that much content because of all the pages you have, but you should. Sell me on the product. one sentence and an image isn't doing it.
From a search engine's perspective there's little different to distinguish one page from another. They see 95% of those pages looking exactly the same. The same header, the same navigation, etc.
It looks like you've done a good job writing page titles. I don't know if you've chosen the best keywords since I haven't researched it, but the titles look good. I can tell you understand how to write them.
I'm assuming you don't have many links to pages beyond the home page. Links to deeper content will help. It's hard to get links to product pages though. I like the idea of a blog and I think there are different ways to do it. I think John's idea and Adam's idea for the content are both good. Here's another for the fun of it. Write your blog like a romance novel. Build the scene and put people in the mood for...well you know. And when it makes sense in the content link to some lingerie. Have some of those pictures on the side. Set the mood and people will start wandering through your product pages.
The main thing with all the supplemental results is that you have too few inbound links for the number of pages your site has. Less pages or more inbound links distributed throughout the pages of your site is probably the main cause of the supplemental issue. Duplicate content (or near dup content) is possibly another issue.
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06-30-2007, 01:25 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design
Datagg, you're going to get a whole bunch of advice from a whole bunch of idiots, and a few pieces of quality advice from people like John (Learning Newbie) and ForrestCroce. So pay attention to people like them.
Thank you so much for your reply
In addition, pay attention to Riane's advice. If you're looking for inbound links, as in quality inbound links from sources that should be linking to you, take a good, hard, objective look at your site without worrying about SEO. Contrary to the published opinions of the great unwashed, SEO (particularly SEO for Google) is becoming more about the user experience. They're starting to look at clean code, semantic markup, things like that.
There is no doubt ive concentrated on SEO.... When i forst got miva and wasnt doing well, I was told just how bad it was for SEo. From that point it was like a switch that went off. So many things i was doing to correct issues of what was seemingly a bad system in the first place. But I was in too deep to change, so in the end i have gone nuts with SEO modules etc. And of course with that, and monies spent and STILL not receiving good results, it just threw me deeper in the pool.
For example, the h1 tag. You should have an h1 (heading) tag on every page to describe what it's about (usually around 3-12 words). Right now, you have nothing.
This was one of the first things I did, and bought a template that allowed me to make all the titles on the page be in <H1>. If you look at the code, each title on each page is surrounded in <H1>. This module allowed me access to the actual pages where as default locked me out. One of the manny many many modules I purchased to gain some type of SEO control.
Second, if you're using a MIVA cart, consider having a developer who knows SEO (like a vangogh or a chrishirst) build you a customized cart. One of the biggest problems with prebuilt carts is that they're horribly built and come with a number of issues that are both user-unfriendly and SEO-unfriendly.
I bought a module called " Other page templates " that gave me control of the cart and its functions. It allowed the process to be sped up, fixed some crazy default issues etc. There is a module that i am looking at that would shrink the process down to 3 pages for checkout, VS 4, but without getting good traffic I didn't put that on top of my list of purchases. The module i own now, does allow me access to these pages, hence they are changed trmemdously from default as of now.
Take this for example:
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/CandyPanties.html
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/candypanties.html
http://www.girlfriendslingerie.com/candyPanties.html
You should have one base URL (all lower-case is usually the safest route) and the other URLs should 301 to it, to avoid any duplicate content issues.
This was something that i thought was fixed in my .htaccess long ago. So many things have been altered in there now, like to allow the dynamics to look like statics etc that I have no idea at this point why or how to make that happen. I know we set things up to show all for WWW, ill have to look into the other part also.
Your biggest issue is, like you said, that you've had too many SEO enhancements. You've got a blog. You've got a links page. You've got Topsites that you participate in. You've got articles. You're doing too much for SEO reasons and forgetting about your user.
I agree.... yet at the end of the day, visitors are low and the engines don't show me. Its hard to find that balance that you speak of. i completely see where you are coming from though and will try to chill out some.
If you want to keep the blog, you probably can, but I'd suggest something a little different than what John did. Give advice on how to wear the lingerie. Maybe how the different lingerie colours and styles could be used to create moods. How to have a lingerie party. That sort of stuff. In other words, keep it relevant to your store idea, but not necessarily to shamelessly plug products. You have a few posts like that, but they're buried.
I am a firm believer in them articles. We have a few on site now, in the blogs etc, but they just don't seem to be generating any action. My partner in crime I instructed him to increase the article stage and the blog stage. Hopefully it will become something that will be of value and of course make the difference between my sites obscurity.
How in your opinion would you go about pushing them? You say some are buried, how would you go about making them more mainstream?
To make this nice and simple, stop thinking like an "SEO" and start thinking like the owner of a business. You do that, you'll solve at least 85-90% of your problems.
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I will give that my best shot brah. There is no doubt im grabbing at all pieces of cheese that are placed in front of me. And to be honest its that **** supplemental thing that drives me nuts. Its like ill do this, something that im told will be the fix, wait a on the edge of my seat months to see if it helps, then nothing... I just go insane, and then come up with a new plan. Perhaps its a bit of being im patient, i dunno. But no matter what has been done, the end result is the same, obscurity. An SEO guru told me once. " No matter what you do on site, if there are no visitors to see it, it wont matter in the end"
This has stuck with me from the get go and is a hard prospect to break.
Thank you so very much for your reply. As always i value everyones opinion and look at them all with the deepest of convictions.
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06-30-2007, 01:59 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Posts: 36
Location: AZ
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Datagg you've been given some good advice by all but one person in this thread. I'll leave it to you to figure out who that one person is.
I noticed that you have the non www version of your site redirecting to the www version and I see it's been done with a 301 redirect. That's good, but I can still access the page www.domain.com/index.html That page should redirect to the main domain too. My guess is you might have other similar issues with URLs where the same page can be accessed at more than one URL. If you show different URLs for different sized or colors you probably do.
I will certainly look into this further. I thought we had all points covered in the .htaccess. Its been altered so many times for SEO modules that one part must have slipped thru the cracks. Thank you for pointing that out.
One thing I do notice is that there's very little content on your product pages. Those pages are essentially an image, a sentence, and some buttons to add to cart, etc. Adding some more content to those pages will help the site with both real people and search engines. I know it's tough to write that much content because of all the pages you have, but you should. Sell me on the product. one sentence and an image isn't doing it.
Wow, you are so right on this. My partner has been going back thru the site and adding more content to the tops. Yet, this is a huge and monumental task. i could easily ina blink of the eye put more up top of each page as a "selling point" bu then i was told it would be a duplicate content issue. So what he has been doing is trying to "upgrade" if you will the manufactures "descriptions". They are 99% of the time bleak as hell, heck sometimes there isnt more than a few words. So he has been going back and trying to add more to them. And that task has proven to be at times engind up to be hoaky one liners etc..which i ultimetly axed , basically leaving us with the originals. As mentioned i do have access to the headers of ALL pages, that i have tossed some hefty content to the tops..but then i was told its the same and that wouldn't bold well with Google.
From a search engine's perspective there's little different to distinguish one page from another. They see 95% of those pages looking exactly the same. The same header, the same navigation, etc.
I was always told to keep the pages looking the same, so customers would know they are in the same "Domain" or "Store" as to not to confuse. Being a template driven machine, the outputs come out the same, except for the obvious "Title" " Product Image" "Description" " Related Items" " Reviews" etc. Outside of those changes that would effect each product seperetly I would have to arrange each page as a different template and then break away for the " keep the pages the same perspective" statement.
i do see what your saying though..... I just don't know how to fix it as that is the layout.
It looks like you've done a good job writing page titles. I don't know if you've chosen the best keywords since I haven't researched it, but the titles look good. I can tell you understand how to write them.
I wish Google would take more heart to it. The out of the box Miva system wouldn't allow me to access page titles, So I bought a module that allowed me to alter the pages as a mian template and cloak the titles in <H1> tags.
I'm assuming you don't have many links to pages beyond the home page. Links to deeper content will help. It's hard to get links to product pages though. I like the idea of a blog and I think there are different ways to do it. I think John's idea and Adam's idea for the content are both good. Here's another for the fun of it. Write your blog like a romance novel. Build the scene and put people in the mood for...well you know. And when it makes sense in the content link to some lingerie. Have some of those pictures on the side. Set the mood and people will start wandering through your product pages.
This we are working on. From a customer article submission setup, to my advice column ive been trying to give articles etc a place for people to see. Yet they haven't really generated much in the heat department as of yet. Some in my article section have been up for years now. Designed originally to help in the engines they haven't seemed to help. The romance novel is a great idea and i will present that to my peeps as to making that happen.
The main thing with all the supplemental results is that you have too few inbound links for the number of pages your site has. Less pages or more inbound links distributed throughout the pages of your site is probably the main cause of the supplemental issue. Duplicate content (or near dup content) is possibly another issue.
Duplicate content. I showed my partner that 95% same issue and he just kinda freaked out in the not understanding department. So much time has been spent on making each description unique to its product, etc that its so hard for him to see to make it any different. he will send me other competitor pages that are the same across the board for there products also, except for images, descriptions etc...... All the while they are doing better in the engines with pages that "Look" the same also. Its basically driving him insane and to have him ask me, WHY?
Its this same level of " page looks " of similarity, them having less description that we have and doing better in the engines. You can see how this would drive one to go mad.
On a page per page basis, SEO wise ive done pretty much all i can do module wise to help the Miva system perform...and thru that course we have been told that we in this arena of products have done more than most have. This is what is killing me as far as the page per page thing goes. When a competitor seemingly doing less is better in the engines than we are... well you get the point.....
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Thank you for your comments..... All of you, thank you so very much....
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06-30-2007, 02:58 AM
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Re: Google is killing me... Help please
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Name: Adam for web page design, not program
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An SEO guru told me once. " No matter what you do on site, if there are no visitors to see it, it wont matter in the end"
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And no matter how many visitors you get to see it, if you don't fix the problems with your site that will prevent them from buying the product, it won't matter in the end either.
And that goes back to thinking like a businessman.
I'll try and answer the rest tomorrow before I go off for a couple of days (Canada Day weekend here). It's 3 AM and I'm tired now.
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06-30-2007, 03:03 AM
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And no matter how many visitors you get to see it, if you don't fix the problems with your site that will prevent them from buying the product, it won't matter in the end either.
And that goes back to thinking like a businessman.
I'll try and answer the rest tomorrow before I go off for a couple of days (Canada Day weekend here). It's 3 AM and I'm tired now.
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Thanks Adam.....
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06-30-2007, 03:14 AM
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Name: Steven Bradley
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With the duplicate content thing I think it's because there's just not a lot of content on each page. You're absolute right that the pages should look the same for the people that visit. I didn't mean to imply that it should be any other way.
But most pages have very little content. So each page differs by a sentence or two. That's not a lot of difference and so the pages might not look so unique.
I think the main issue is really the ratio of incoming links to pages. And that as you start increasing the links into the site you'll see more pages come out of the index. I'd still write more content, but I think in this case it's most likely the lack of links specifically to deeper pages in the site that's causing he problem.
One thing you mentioned was rewriting the manufacturer's descriptions for your content. Keep in mind that the same content is on the manufacturer's site and also likely on many other sites selling the product. Use their content as raw material, but make it as different as you can. Ideally you would write completely new content from scratch and only use factual details from the manufacturer like the material used. I know it's a lot more work, but it's worth the work.
I see Adam mentioned how the articles are buried. I'm going to agree since I still haven't found them. Make it obvious where they are. Give me a link in the main navigation. Sprinkle in some of the content in the articles to the pages and make it link back to the articles. I admit I'm not always the most observant person in the world, but chances are if I can't find it there's a lot of other people who can't
Follow the advice of Don't Make Me Think. If you want me to take some action on your site make it very obvious.
With the writing for the product pages I think all the writing should be about setting a mood. You're selling lingerie so you want to put people in a sensuous mood. You might want to rework the design of the site a little to capture that mood as well. Try and make every aspect of the site give off romantic, and sensual feelings and I'd bet you'd get more people visiting and buying.
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