some forums yes it will, others no

Just don't expect it to carry any useful weight though.

But is is your homepage optimized?

I found a tool where you can check this.
Web site promotion tools - SEO Doc Mini Version

I finished on 4.9 and the maximum was 5

Originally Posted by thedrua

It took me about 3 months until all my ads hit the front page or ranked #1. The more per click seems to work too. I use google along with many other engines to promote my Affiliates site but google by far works the best. Im getting anywhere from 3000 - 5000 clicks per month. 20 to 30 sales per day! It just takes time really. Im only 19 and i, making 1500-2500 a week. i also own a wholesale sight that my father left me. Google is my favorite.

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Originally Posted by amroawad

But is is your homepage optimized?

I found a tool where you can check this.
Web site promotion tools - SEO Doc Mini Version

I finished on 4.9 and the maximum was 5

It seems like a great tools. Has anybody else used this tools. Does it give efficient results?

Originally Posted by amroawad

But is is your homepage optimized?

I found a tool where you can check this.
Web site promotion tools - SEO Doc Mini Version

I finished on 4.9 and the maximum was 5

Mine is 5

About Forex - Fundamental Information, Articles, Glossary, Forum and the key phrase is "about forex".

And optimized this page too:

Forex Glossary - Financial and Investment Terms - About Forex and the key phrase is "forex glossary".

Mosquito Nets for all situations by SafariQuip - using the tool i criticised both it and the homepage (Britain's foremost suppliers of Mosquito Nets, Safari and Travel Accessories - SafariQuip) for keyphrase "mosquito net" and came up with 1.9 and 1.8, yet these two pages are ranked #1 and #2 in Google for this keyphrase. it's a useful tool, but not essential for success.

Really it's just a tool to find someone elses opinion of your site based on how they understand the google algo... Unless google had made the tool i wouldn't pay it any mind.

Keep in mind that tool uses the meta keyword as part of it's measuremtent, which has no effect on your rank. It also doesn't at all take linkage into account which has quite a lot to do with where pages rank.

Tools are just something you use to help with a larger task. There aren't good seo tools that will tell you if your page is optimized well or not. They're usually out of date and filled with incorrect information. There are some useful tools no doubt, but the best ones are still your brain and your experience and your understanding.

Just add ur site to google and wait for few days, then search for your site and when u find ur site (no matter if its very down ranked) just click - click - n click on your site and you will see your site comming up in ranking !

Originally Posted by Hashim

Just add ur site to google and wait for few days, then search for your site and when u find ur site (no matter if its very down ranked) just click - click - n click on your site and you will see your site comming up in ranking !

Adding your site to google is the worst way to get indexed, Get backlinks instead..
And clicking on your own site in the SERPS does nothing for ranking.

I think Google may now or in the future use click data to determine how relevant certain pages are to a query. I can't say they're doing it now, but think they certainly will be in time.

For example if they consistently find that the #1 result to a query gets clicked and most users immediately hit the back button they may drop that page in the rankings. Of course to get that data they probably need you to have their toolbar installed or be logged into to a Google account.

Hashim I'm also sure Google can figure out it's the same ip doing the clicking so what you're suggesting will most likely lead to your constant clicking being considered manipulation and spam. Sorry, but it will probably cause much more harm than good. Even if they didn't track your ip it's unlikely that you alone could cause Google to belive your site is so popular that it's worthy of moving up in the results.

I agree completely with Matt about submitting your site to search engines. It will do nothing to get your site indexed any faster and is really just a waste of time.

it's been a rumour for a while that the more pages get clicked thru on, the better they'll rank.

if the top two pages for x-keyword get ignored EVERY time that search is done, it makes sense to perceive that they're less relevent.

not sure if Google is doing this at present, but IMO they certainly should be.

I can't see google doing that because of how easy it would be to manipulate it.
Anyone who knows php or perl would have no trouble writing a script that could route through a proxy, query google for a search term you would appeaer in, and click the link.

Would be the worst thing sinse pagerank.

They may monitor what gets clicked, But i can't see them using it as a ranking factor.

Matt I know there are issues with the concept, but I think the theory behind it makes sense. Search engines want to present relevant results and human beings are much better at determining that than algorithms. It stands to reason if a link in the search results gets clicked alot, but people always click right back it wasn't as relevant as the algorighm thought. Consequently if the number #5 result when clicked would always keep people on the site for a length of time it should probably be bumped up a few spots.

I don't think Google or any other search engine would be looking at the clicks on their pages as much as they would be tracking users with their toolbars installed. So someone could write a program, but they would need to make it look like it was the toolbar was installed. I'm not sure how easy that is to fake. Google seems to be pretty good too determing real visitors from programs when it comes to AdSense (though I suppose that's debatable).

Regardless it's certainly be rumored for awhile that tracking data about user behavior might be incorporated in the algorithms now or in the future. I couldn't say one way or the other whether the rumor is true, but it's certainly out there.

Originally Posted by vangogh

Exchanging links with sites related to yours can help in moderation. Using automated link exchange programs will most likely cause more harm than good.

You're better off spending time getting high quality, relevant, one way incoming links. You don't get them overnight, but if you want long term success that's the way to go.

i think it's better to have non-backing links so your site will be more relvant

If I understand you right then we agree. I'm not sure what the term non-backing means. I assume you mean not exchanging links. I think you're better off not exchanging links and getting one way incoming links instead. I do think exchange links with sites related to yours is ok, but the exchanged links should be kept to a small percent of your overall links.

I think we're agreeing. Aren't we?

Originally Posted by vangogh

Matt I know there are issues with the concept, but I think the theory behind it makes sense. Search engines want to present relevant results and human beings are much better at determining that than algorithms. It stands to reason if a link in the search results gets clicked alot, but people always click right back it wasn't as relevant as the algorighm thought. Consequently if the number #5 result when clicked would always keep people on the site for a length of time it should probably be bumped up a few spots.

I don't think Google or any other search engine would be looking at the clicks on their pages as much as they would be tracking users with their toolbars installed. So someone could write a program, but they would need to make it look like it was the toolbar was installed. I'm not sure how easy that is to fake. Google seems to be pretty good too determing real visitors from programs when it comes to AdSense (though I suppose that's debatable).

Regardless it's certainly be rumored for awhile that tracking data about user behavior might be incorporated in the algorithms now or in the future. I couldn't say one way or the other whether the rumor is true, but it's certainly out there.

Unfortunately I have to agree on this one going nowhere. Spend a few hours on some Black Hat forums and you'll see how EASILY this could be exploited. I have heard this discussion before and find it interesting though.

While the TB data is CERTAINLY gathered for user metrics, it is not prevalent enough for Google to give relevance to the SERPs with it. Google has more than a few patents dealing with user behavior stuff. So they DO think about it, just not for algo/SERPs purposes.

So while possible, the safeguards against MISUSE is not in place. Heck, they have enough holes to plug over at the PLEX, opening one like this won't happen anytime soon. When you have folks like BMW playing Black Hat, there is a long way to go before creating a TORPEDO mechanism such as this...

You may be right. The only part I can guarantee is they are collecting the data. What they do with that data though...? I can certainly see the reasoning behind using it in determining relevancy.

I suppose traffic patterns could be exploited like many other things that can be exploited in the algorithm. Isn't that pretty much the game with black hats. Find a hole to exploit until search engines close the hole and then look for another. Maybe the search engines have some ideas already about how to close these holes.

I would imagine the obvious exploit here would be to send out robots to visit the sites you want to rank better. I'm not a savvy enough programmer, but how easy or hard would it be to mimic a toolbar? I would think the search engines would only rely on data from their own toolbars. I guess it's probably not all that difficult.

What about Google tracking data and establishing what they consider to be normal patterns of use. I would think normal human behavior would include a certain amount a short stays on some pages with a lot of clicking around and then some longer stays on other pages. Perhaps there's a way for them to determine if certain click patterns are either too random or too much of a pattern and throw out some of the extremes. I'm just guessing, but it might not be so easy for a robot to truly mimic human behavior or there might be a way to discover what is likely automated behavior.

All just speculation on my part, but I do think this is an interesting topic and thought I'd keep the discussion going.

Originally Posted by menerweb

Mine is 5

About Forex - Fundamental Information, Articles, Glossary, Forum and the key phrase is "about forex".

And optimized this page too:

Forex Glossary - Financial and Investment Terms - About Forex and the key phrase is "forex glossary".

And now, the results:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=about+forex

http://www.google.com/search?q=forex...&start=10&sa=N

Ok. These results are fine. Especially for main page.

Originally Posted by vangogh

You may be right. The only part I can guarantee is they are collecting the data. What they do with that data though...? I can certainly see the reasoning behind using it in determining relevancy.

How are they collecting that data? I agree it's extremely useful information to have, and even with the potential for abuse, I think the number of people who use Google is so much larger than the number of black hats, that manipulation should amount to a drop in the bucket.

But I don't see how it's possible for Google to be able to collect this data? Perhaps their toolbar allows them to, maybe, but that's the same situation as Alexa ranking. Which is even less helpful than PR.

Google SERPs are static html files, built on the fly and sent down to your browser. If you examine them closely, there's an a element with an href that points to a URL, and no javascript whatsoever. The web site can know they got a click from a Google search, but once Google send down the results, they have no way of knowing what you do with them.

I've been looking into Analytics since it's pretty highly recommended, but for that to work, as far as I can tell, you have to add some javascript calls to the bottom of your page, that tell the browser to call out to Google and send them data. But there's nothing like this in the SERPS.

Which means as useful as this data is, collecting it doesn't seem possible?