Hello everyone,

I noticed some sites home page have a high PR (we'll say 7), but the links page has a low PR (we'll say 3).

How much influence will your link have on this site? I usually look for their link.htm page to have a high PR as well. Sometimes Im not sure if I should trade cuz their link page is 0 PR even though their home page is PR7.

One of my links pages is a PR4, but my other page is a PR1. How did I get one so much higher than the other?

Please give me some advice....

Thanks,
Jeremy

www.abcwatersofteners.com

One of my links pages is a PR4, but my other page is a PR1. How did I get one so much higher than the other?

It probably has to do with the internal linking structure of your site. Your index page usually will always have the highest PR (because this is where most people link to).

You pass PR from your home page to your internal pages. The deeper inside your site a page is, the lower the PR will be (in most cases but it depends on how you flow PR throughout you site).

This is why your links page: http://www.abcwatersofteners.com/links.htm has a PR of 3 but your http://www.abcwatersofteners.com/more_links.htm has a PR of 2. links.htm has a direct link from your index while your more_links.htm gets a link from links.htm (which has a lower PR). Did I confuse you??

More important than Page Rank in my opinion is using keyword rich anchor text for your incoming links.

All legitimate pages linking to you count as a vote. Some votes are just "bigger and better" (those from higher PR pages).

If you link back to the pages, they are benefitting more than you if your PR is higher than theirs. Try and get higher PR sites to link to you, as your rank will increase because of it.

If a page doesn't have a PR, but the homepage does, then exchanging links is okay, provided the homepage links through to the links page in some way (via some other page). If the links page has no PR, and there are no links on the site to the links page, the webmaster has created an offshoot page to house the links, so they generate links back to them, without sending traffic away, they gain, but although their links page is there, it isn't accessible other than by direct URL - do not swap with people who do this.

Make sure text of the links coming to your site has your main keywords in it - if not, request it is changed so it DOES. This is HIGHLY important

Originally posted by DaveTodd
All legitimate pages linking to you count as a vote. Some votes are just "bigger and better" (those from higher PR pages).

True.

If you link back to the pages, they are benefitting more than you if your PR is higher than theirs. Try and get higher PR sites to link to you, as your rank will increase because of it.

Yes, but, the game is not who benefits the most, (unless you're talking about a competitor), the game is progress. Always plugging away getting more and more links.

If a page doesn't have a PR, but the homepage does, then exchanging links is okay, provided the homepage links through to the links page in some way (via some other page). If the links page has no PR, and there are no links on the site to the links page, the webmaster has created an offshoot page to house the links, so they generate links back to them, without sending traffic away, they gain, but although their links page is there, it isn't accessible other than by direct URL - do not swap with people who do this.

Yes, this is a very good point. I always check to be sure the homepage links directly to the page where my link will be.

Make sure text of the links coming to your site has your main keywords in it - if not, request it is changed so it DOES. This is HIGHLY important [/B]

Very important.


Bottom line for me regarding link swapping and PR is, if they come to me, any PR is ok. But, if I spend my time searching and hunting for them, I want PR4 or better in order to justify the time spent.

Bompa

It seems that people prefer high pagerank to high traffic nowadays.
I would rather go for sites with 3000 uniques a day and low pagerank than sites with 30 uniques a day and high pagerank. Don't you guys think so?

hmm...interesting point alien.

Most linkswapping nowadays is not for traffic coming through the links but for the impact that the links can have on search engine results.

I *VERY* rarely click through any links on a page that take me to another site. But I do search using Google a *HUGE* amount.

To me, a link is more likely to boost my pagerank than gain visitors from clicks.

Also, high PR sites tend (and i use the word "tend" loosely) to have more traffic, because the high PR helps them to rank better. If PR + Traffic go hand in hand, then high PR sites are twice as good again, they have more traffic + more link value...so get them linking to you!!

Really, look at all incoming links from other sites - especially related content - as being of specialworth. Links pages have an unmentioned bonues - they may count as "expert pages" if the Hilltop algo is applied to your search terms.

Also, high PR sites tend (and i use the word "tend" loosely) to have more traffic, because the high PR helps them to rank better. If PR + Traffic go hand in hand, then high PR sites are twice as good again, they have more traffic + more link value

Good point Dave....a lot of people say I would rather have more traffic than a high PR, but these two go hand in hand. I would definately want more traffic too, but if my PR is a 2, how high do you think I am going to rank? PR is important....no matter what people say...at least for now anyway.

Anyway, you have all been helpful...thanks a bunch!!

Jeremy
www.abcwatersofteners.com
www.abcwatersofteners.com/links.htm

Keep in mind, PageRank is always running behind.

Today's PR3 page is tomorrows PR6 dream page. The toolbar PR is behind the actual PR. PR3 pages will almost always make it 4 or more on the next update and count as a legitimate backlink.

How far behind is it? I noticed that the PR is behind too, but was not sure how much.

Thanks

www.abcwatersofteners.com

PR is strange. A site I work for was PR6 last week, this week it's dropped back to 5. Does anyone know what the threshold is?

I'm confused because the amount of links to the site *Increased* during the time that it transcended from PR6-5. If PR is behind, does this mean the site could be very near to the threshold, and a week or so ago dropped a link before gaining about 10? So PR drops and then goes up again next time PR is updated...I'm hoping so.

Anyone have any ideas?

Try using two different urls for your domain. For example when I use http://www.abcwatersofteners.com my PR usually is a 3. When I put http://abcwatersofteners.com in the address box, my PR is 4. Try this with your domain...also, some people use domain/index.htm too!! I think I have been dividing my PR because some incoming links are one url and some are the other.

Good luck,

Jeremy

www.abcwatersofteners.com

I recently got rid of a bunch of links to sites that were unrelated to mine. I read that links to websites in many unrelated categories can get your site labelled spam. Did I mess up, or does that make sense?

Also, if a site has a PR0 on it's home page is it O.K. to link to that site as long as it's not completely greyed out?

I got rid of bunch of unrelated links too. It did not effect my PR...at least not to my knowledge. Try checking both urls: http://yourdomain and http://wwww.youdomain. You may have two PR's and not know it. I didn't realize I had two for many months. I am trying to stick with one from now on.

Not sure about trading with someone who has a PR0, but not grayed out. It would be pointless even if it made no difference. I dont think it would help you.


Thanks,
J


http://abcwatersofteners.com

Back to aliens point, the question is how targetted the traffic is a good link on a relevant site would probable generate good traffic. However 9 times out of 10, I think the only way to get the really specific targetted traffic that you need to have a successful site these days it throught the major search engines.

Another point from the beginning of this thread, by trading links you are giving away PR that you could use for voting for your own site. If you have a links page with a PR of 4 and they have a link page with a PR of 1, depending on the amount of outgoing links you have on that page you will most probable be losing a lot more than you will gain. You can minise this by making sure you have plenty of link on you links page back into your own site. Page Rank isn't everything when it comes to ranking in search engine, other major considerations are the linking text and what elements you have on your webpages. In my understanding Page ranking tends to benifit pages your linking to much more than the page itself but it does act as a good guide to how well your doing.

Originally Posted by DaveTodd

If PR is behind, does this mean the site could be very near to the threshold...

I'm not sure if I am reading this right... Can you be penalized for having "too many" links to your site?

As far as I know their has been no indication that google penalizes you for having too many links. And since it has to persume that you don't necessaryly have control over who are linking to you, they can't really justify. If they did poeple would start to se it as a weapon against their competitiors.