Hi,
I have noticed some change in PR recently. SOme of our pages went to 3-4 from 0 also some have been down to 0 from PR 3. May be PR update has begun. As you all know google had recently updated Back links, so it's may be the time what every serious websites waiting for - another update !

Serious websites and their owners/operators are NOT waiting with baited breath for another pointless toolbar display update.

Only the ones who haven't learned that it isn't important are!!

No PR change on any of my new sites yet.

It might not matter to most people but I like to know my PR.

The one thing that PR will do for any website is help it get spidered.
This helps your site get indexed by the major SE's. MSN especially..

PR doesn't help your site get crawled at all, the links get your pages crawled. PR is simply a by-product of links and is one of the reasons so many people get this wrong when looking at cause and effect
links and anchor text are the important factor NOT the PR.

What's PR got to do with MSN crawling sites.???

*My beliefs*

Having high PR will increase the frequency of spiders coming to crawl your site.
The links/pages that are on the site or page will get spidered from being linked on the site/page.

MSN is easy to optimize for. Getting links can help your rankings in just a couple of days from what I've observed.

I hope this helps clarify, I am not claiming to be an expert, these are just my personal observations.

chrishirst be practical...Do you think with out knowing the funda of PR I'm running seo sites ? come on ... every body look for PR, In theory you can say it's not important, but don't you look for your site's PR to be high ? If you say NO you are a lier. Either you don't link exchange or don't know how to do it. Ask your fellow SEO or web design sites in UK to provide you a PR 5 link page by giving them a PR 0 link page. They 'll throw your request.

I know you'll answer that I don't exchange link. DO you think I posted the thred to hear some knowledge from you ? I just wanted to know from other members if they have noticed any thing in their site ! That's all.

I've seen no change yet seoindia, it's got to be soon I heard loads of people all over the place say they have seen fluctuations.

I think PR is a good indication of how well my works been going. If my new site are starting to get PR and the other sites are growing, then my linkbuilding is being noticed by the big G, which means I'm on the right track.

PR isn't that earth shakingly important, but dismissing it out of hand is just pointless.

Originally Posted by hezaa

*My beliefs*

Having high PR will increase the frequency of spiders coming to crawl your site.

You are mixing up the causation.
PR and spider frequency have the same cause, they are caused by backlinks.
The more backlinks the higher PR, The more backlinks the more often google will fond your site to crawl it.

But this dosn't mean that high PR is the cause of frequent spidering, It's just means high PR and frequent crawling are caused by the same thing. Backlinks.

It's all like infinity.

All tie together to make the 'net work..

seoindia.
You are quite wrong. Not everybody looks for PR, only the newbies and self-styled experts prattle on about how absolutely important PR is. But there you are, While the rest chase PR and link exchanges it leaves the field open for the ones who know what counts. Good backlinks and useful anchor text is what matters, I would much rather have 1 backlink that sent qualified traffic to the site than 10 that simply were garnered for PR. And that includes buying links if and when needed

BTW liar is spelt with a "a"
And to be perfectly honest I have no idea at all what the PR is an any site I run personally or the ones I'm involved with.

I don't check backlink numbers either, that's another futile task, much prefer reading logs and putting effort into what they tell me about the site.

Originally Posted by chrishirst

seoindia.
You are quite wrong. Not everybody looks for PR, only the newbies and self-styled experts prattle on about how absolutely important PR is. But there you are, While the rest chase PR and link exchanges it leaves the field open for the ones who know what counts. Good backlinks and useful anchor text is what matters, I would much rather have 1 backlink that sent qualified traffic to the site than 10 that simply were garnered for PR. And that includes buying links if and when needed

BTW liar is spelt with a "a"
And to be perfectly honest I have no idea at all what the PR is an any site I run personally or the ones I'm involved with.

I don't check backlink numbers either, that's another futile task, much prefer reading logs and putting effort into what they tell me about the site.

wow... i can't disagree with any of that.


dems

chrishirst
When you are saying you are concerned about good back links then I was looking at your site . LOL your site doesn't have any good back links, so ha ha ha no ponit of talking with you again... ha ha ha ....

Originally Posted by seoindia

chrishirst
When you are saying you are concerned about good back links then I was looking at your site . LOL your site doesn't have any good back links, so ha ha ha no ponit of talking with you again... ha ha ha ....

Good point.

PR is not important.

You are quite wrong. Not everybody looks for PR, only the newbies and self-styled experts prattle on about how absolutely important PR is.

When seoindia said 'everyone' he was generalising. Of course their are some people who don't even know that page rank exists, however most people involved in SEO have at least a passing interest.

I find PR useful and I have been doing this professionally too long to be a newbi, so I guess I fall into the self-styled expert category.

Let me prattle on for a minute.

But there you are, While the rest chase PR and link exchanges it leaves the field open for the ones who know what counts. Good backlinks and useful anchor text is what matters,

You agree that inbound links can generate traffic. You agree that inbound links are a perquisite of good ranking. You agree that good ranking would give a site traffic. You look for traffic from the inbound links you acquire. You agree that PR is calculated by inbound links.

If this is the case, PR is a really useful quick indicator of the quality of a link and the traffic it could provide? It is not a flawless indication, but it is quick, better than asking for the site log files.

A good PR on a page also usually means it is a reasonable amount of clicks from the homepage and hence would have a high chance of having passing traffic.

I would much rather have 1 backlink that sent qualified traffic to the site than 10 that simply were garnered for PR. And that includes buying links if and when needed

I agree and PR would be a useful indication if that link was worth buying and would provide quality traffic.

I don't check backlink numbers either, that's another futile task, much prefer reading logs and putting effort into what they tell me about the site.

When it comes to improving your ranking in the search engines, what useful information can you get from your own logs?

Assuming you are referring to candsdesign, It doesn't need a backlink campaign. It doesn't sell anything, I don't look for rankings for it, I don't need to chase work, I'm not trying to tell anybody how great I am at SEO/programming etc via the website and everything on there is given away and it doesn't even carry any adverts! so tell me why should I bother chasing links?
I even edit at two directories and haven't added it at those.

But it gets traffic from the kind of places it needs to. That's the important bit !!! there are quite a few unsolicited links that send traffic and requests for work. That's far far more important to me than watching the silly green bar.

Take the other site in my signature, you may think that I am trying to promote that via sig links, and you would be wrong again. That site is more promoted off-line than on-line. The people who are going to buy the system aren't found on a webmaster forum, but they are looking at niche areas and some directories. There is a specialist directory page that sends a couple of genuine enquiries a month and with the system costing over £20k a time it doesn't need to attract a lot of useless traffic. So that's where I get links from.
The forum sig is actually part of a test to see if forum signature links make any difference to ranking WRT Google, and I can honestly tell you they don't. They used to up until the Feb 2005 update. At one forum I have over 3500 posts and that site had a sig link with unrelated anchor text that the target site ranked for. Then in Feb 2005 during the update it disappeared for that text and no other changes in ranking or traffic happened.
Did you not wonder why I (given my stance on links) had a totally unrelated site in a signature???

Originally Posted by nixies78

When it comes to improving your ranking in the search engines, what useful information can you get from your own logs?

I don't chase rankings per se. The logs will tell me what specific phrases the site gets found and how long each visitor from that phrase spends on the site, so that give a starting point to find other phrases.
What I am looking for there is ranking for