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Old 08-12-2005, 04:52 AM Yahoo, MSN but not Google
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I launched my site www.competa.org.uk a couple of months ago and have top 10 rankings with Yahoo and MSN for the search string of 'competa holiday villa' but nothing with Google. Google is crawling the site frequently and I did get a ranking of 63 at one stage but shortly after registering for Sitemap this disappreared.

I have a similar problem with another site, does Google use different criteria to MSN and Yahoo for ranking or am I missing something.
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Old 08-12-2005, 07:38 AM
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I launched my site www.competa.org.uk a couple of months ago and have top 10 rankings with Yahoo and MSN for the search string of 'competa holiday villa' but nothing with Google. Google is crawling the site frequently and I did get a ranking of 63 at one stage but shortly after registering for Sitemap this disappreared.

I have a similar problem with another site, does Google use different criteria to MSN and Yahoo for ranking or am I missing something.
You're missing something


LINKS!

According to my own two years of experience and
everything I've read about the search engines,
Google relies more heavily on the keywords
used in anchored text of links to your site.

Btw, you have zero backlinks showing with Google
and only 11 with Yahoo.

You need to do some researching regarding reciprocal
linking, backlinks, and getting links.


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Old 08-12-2005, 09:34 AM
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build more link with "competa holiday villa" as anchor text
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Old 08-15-2005, 08:20 PM lol
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its Fu.....ng " SANDBOX EFFECT "
yuo must wait 2 -8 months !

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Old 08-16-2005, 11:45 AM
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Yes, you are stuck in the sandbox. Grab a drink and relax because it's going to be several months before your site finds it's way out of the box. In the mean time ... building link exchanges ... not to fast though ... if you get a bunch of backlinks really fast then your site will get marked as spam. Just get a few a week ... you have MONTHS to do this. Enjoy!!
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:52 PM
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While you're in "the sandbox" Google will index your sites but will give you a severe disadvantage when it comes to ranking you for specific keywords. Like MightyMaster said... build links while you're waiting so that when you do come out, you'll start to rank well.

I've also heard some people say that adding a lot of good unique content to your site is a way of getting out sooner, but I haven't tested that method myself.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:07 PM
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Why tell a person with *zero* links that is he stuck in
an illusionary "sandbox"?

You don't even know what this "sandbox" is, you can't
define it or describe it, but to say it's some sort of delay.

You heard it somewhere and now you repeat it like a fact
cuz it sounds like you know something.

The man has no links for god's sake!

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Old 08-16-2005, 08:18 PM
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Its a fact that there is a sandbox. lmafo
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Old 08-16-2005, 10:38 PM
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Actually, Google just recently said it's true. But even before that, there was enough evidence to show that it exists...

Read the story here...
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Old 08-17-2005, 04:29 AM
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where is the original poster, lol

Whether the site is in the sandbox region or not, the key to top rankings is getting more backlinks, and the key to getting backlinks is link exchange or one way links
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Old 08-17-2005, 07:55 AM
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Actually, Google just recently said it's true. But even before that, there was enough evidence to show that it exists...

Read the story here...
Well, thank you for quoting your source

And silly me, I thought spammers were the
most unreliable sources of factual information...

Quote:
"During the conversation, which centered
around spamming Google (as Todd, Greg & Dave
are or were all top-level spammers), Matt asked
how succesful Google's recent efforts to stop
spam had been."
Some spammers talking to a Google employee
at a conferenceis not my idea of "Google said it's true".


More interestingly, it is noted in that gossip
column that a site must trip some sort of spam
filter before it goes into the probationary
area...

Quote:
"but that a "filter must be tripped" for a site to be "boxed"."
That means the webmaster is a SE spammer!

I don't think it's right to tell a person new to
webmastering that his site has been penalized
for spam unless you can find evidence
of spam on his site.


But oh well. I doubt it will do any good to try
to clear these things up. Some people love this
type of rumor and will go to their grave
swearing it's true.


If I launched a SEO type of forum where
gossip is not allowed, it would probably be a
very quiet forum haha. Actually, it's not
the gossip, itself, that bothers me, its when
the gossip is repeated as 100% pure fact.

The really odd thing is, I believe that you
"gossip believers" would not tolerate that
low level of integrity in your real life, in your offline
life, but there's something about the internet
that permits it into your mind.

Maybe it's the excitement, adventure, and mystery


Take care and watch out for those Google gremlins
cuz those little things are everywhere and they
are watching your every move Muhahahahaha!!!!!


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Old 08-17-2005, 12:12 PM
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I completely understand your point that you shouldn't believe all gossip you hear, however, I also don't think you should dismiss everything you hear either. Google doesn't have their complete algorithm for ranking sites posted somewhere, which means we all have two choices, sit back and hope Google ranks us well, or try to determine (using our own experience and others experience) what makes a site rank higher.

Like Bompa suggested, getting backlinks to your site is the way to go to get a higher rank in Google, but since none of us know the ranking algorithm Google is currently using, that is just a rumor too.

I agree that telling someone new that it's only because of the sandbox that they aren't ranking well is wrong. Sorry if it came out that way. The point I was trying to make is that you should be aware of "the rumored" sandbox and don't let ranking low in the first few months or a year of having your site up make you give up on it.

P.S. Here's the Google patent application that talks about page and domain inception date to change the ranking of a page. It can be interpreted many ways, so don't believe me, read it yourself. Patent 20050071741 (search for it on Google). It also talks about the Google gremlins
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Old 08-17-2005, 12:49 PM
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First of all ... why wouldn't someone believe in the sandbox. Do you really think you can create a site today and have it listed in the top 10 tomorrow. I mean ... come on folks ... of course there is going to be a time of review. When you go to the grocery store you don't just jump to the front of the line. You have to wait for your turn to be checked out. The sandbox is pretty much the same thing ... you have to wait until Google checks you out and determines that your site is a reputable site on the world wide web ... and that is done by backlinks and content. PERIOD
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Old 08-17-2005, 03:17 PM Sandbox
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i realy have now:

N1: position yahoo
N1: position Msn
But i cant find my site in Google with same keyword !


what is this ? SANDBOX !!!!!!!!!!! 100% 200% 1000%




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Old 08-17-2005, 05:48 PM
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First of all ... why wouldn't someone believe in the sandbox. Do you really think you can create a site today and have it listed in the top 10 tomorrow. I mean ... come on folks ... of course there is going to be a time of review. When you go to the grocery store you don't just jump to the front of the line. You have to wait for your turn to be checked out. The sandbox is pretty much the same thing ... you have to wait until Google checks you out and determines that your site is a reputable site on the world wide web ... and that is done by backlinks and content. PERIOD


No one understands google, unless you are a top level designer at google everything is speculation, all I know is what I have experienced, and there is defintley some kind of delay asscosiated with google call it a sandbox or whatever you like but there is something to these rumors. I have a few sites and its always the same thing, ranks great in MSN and Yahoo and in google is no where to found.

I sell gas masks and my site is well optimized with title tags, description and excellent relevant content yet the site is indexed but has terrible SERP. do a search for gas mask and like the #3 listing is a goofball hobby site where a guy jokingly tells you how to build a gas mask out of used computer parts. he uses the the word gas mask like 3 times on the entire site and has tons of other totally unrelated content so how in the heck is his site more relevant than mine?

They are obviously NOT indexing on relevant content alone.

You're saying he has tons of inbound links with anchor text that mentions gas masks? I doubt it? I have about 1000 inbound links. The only thing it can be is some kind of time delay, and patience is the best SEO tactic that I know of, yes in bound links are important, but I have seen several sites with zero in bound links that have excellent SERP so go figure that one out.

Also the grocery store analogy is not really relevant, its not the customers that are waiting in line when it comes to the sandbox, its the store. A brick and mortar store can open up and if they have good marketing and advertsing and offer good products and prices they can do business immediately, so why not on the web?

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Old 08-18-2005, 04:05 AM
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Love2sail,

I could find no links to your site (http://www.terrorismsafetyalliance.org/). Did you get them recently? I know recently I got a boatload of backlinks, and they're not showing up yet either.

I wouldn't say that the page devoted to selling gas masks is well optimised for "gas masks", though. There is no mention of "gas mask" in the title or description meta tags. "Gas mask" is listed 5th in your keywords list.

You could put "gas mask" in some headings and maybe list items too. What about putting the phrase in your alt tags?

If I was a bot, I would have a hard time concluding that this page was about gas masks.
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Old 08-18-2005, 01:12 PM
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Thanks for the input I know Google doesn't show any links, I did aquire them quickly so they are probably sandboxed too, yahoo shows 550+ links and http://www.mikes-marketing-tools.com/link-popularity/ this link checker shows right around 1000 for yahoo and MSN.

I have changed the meta tags for the home page and description now lists gas mask. I also have a few other content pages dedicated to gas mask information and the tags should be okay for those pages. Ihave tried to use the word gas mask in the content throughout the site.

I doubt that goofball site has any tags or descriptioins for gas mask, so why is that site ranked so high? It makes no sense to me. There are dozens of sites more relevant than his. Its alomst like google prefers sites that are not optimized, like they give more relevance to sites that only mention something few times, like they are trying to combat spammers. His site does have gas mask in the url, www.stupidsite.com/gas-mask, I know google does give the url a great deal of relevance but thats not necessarliy an indication of relevance, they state on their webiite that content is most important, content that is written for users and not spiders. So maybe they are penalizing for over use of keywords, and I've been careful to not overuse any words.

I don't know, its very frustrating. Google is a mystery, an enigma wrapped in riddle.
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Old 08-19-2005, 12:00 AM
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I think your web site is waiting in sandbox.Please be patient.
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Old 08-19-2005, 03:43 AM
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First of all ... why wouldn't someone believe in the sandbox. Do you really think you can create a site today and have it listed in the top 10 tomorrow. I mean ... come on folks ... of course there is going to be a time of review. When you go to the grocery store you don't just jump to the front of the line. You have to wait for your turn to be checked out. The sandbox is pretty much the same thing ... you have to wait until Google checks you out and determines that your site is a reputable site on the world wide web ... and that is done by backlinks and content. PERIOD
well im to lazy to read all that but this is the man i believe!

P.S. THE SANDBOX!!! i knew there was a name for it!! lol ive never had a site thats gotten out of the sandbox, lmfao
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