Google SERP problem.

**livapetr** · 10-14-2009, 09:20 PM

Hello everybody.

I have a 6 month old blog and I`m trying to get genuine Google traffic to it;

I regularly check SERP and I see that I`m on 50th position for keyword in "" ("my_keyword") and i`m not even in SERP for keyword without quotes.

About 3-4 days ago my page appeared in SERP on 33th position for my keyword without quotes, I got some traffic instantly. But after 2 days it dissapeared from SERP again.

Now I don`t know what I`m doing wrong. What`s the problem with my blog/links/Google ??? Why I`m not in SERP for keyword without quotes ?? What sould I do to get there?

What I have already done:
I`m following all Google webmaster recomendations as possible;

My articles are longtale keyword - optimized (not too much);

I have approx. 50 links to each page from article syndication sites and web 2.0 resources (DoFollow) with my keyword in the anchors. Links exist for about 1,5 month already and are indexed by Google.

**francis84** · 10-14-2009, 11:49 PM

Its just normal. Google SERP are normally fluctuating. It just means that your SERP is not yet stable. Keep your link building process, dude.

**livapetr** · 10-15-2009, 12:30 AM

Maybe I didn't express myself clear...

I`m stable in SERP for keyword WITH quotes. But I'm not present in SERP for my keyword WITHOUT quotes.

That's real problem - I'm not fluctuating, I'm just not there at all.

**Dave011** · 10-15-2009, 12:36 AM

you need to work more for that, if you get good position its means your on the right track but it fluctuate during the process change your style and think of better strategy.

**livapetr** · 05:10 AM

Thank you for the answers.

Well, you say "fluctuate".. But it disappears from the SERP for long periods.. I thought that fluctuating means moving from one position to another. In that case I would not ask all these questions.
But that dissapearing from SERP (for several weeks) makes me thinking that I`m doing something wrong - and I don`t know what (I`m trying to everything "by the book")

**chrishirst** · 10-15-2009, 05:31 AM

Why is it, that with the wealth of knowledge that exists on the Internet people seem unable to find the information that for FIVE years now, Google updates continuously and has many unsychronised datacentres that show different results, so what is shown for a query may well differ from the same query when done a few minutes later, or on a different mahine??

**livapetr** · 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Why is it, that with the wealth of knowledge that exists on the Internet people seem unable to find the information that for FIVE years now, Google updates continuously and has many unsychronised datacentres that show different results, so what is shown for a query may well differ from the same query when done a few minutes later, or on a different mahine??

I suppose you posted in the wrong thread.

I'm talking not about different positions in SERP from time to time and from place to place.

I`m talking about non-presence in SERP. Non-presence of page that has 50+ dofollow Google-indexed backlinks with exact keyword in anchor.

I suppose, different datacenters, regional SERP and all that sh*t could cause SERP dance for +/- several positions. And I`m telling that my well-optimized page is not present in SERP for most of the time. And it`s presence for keyword in quotes is very stable.

**chrishirst** · 10-15-2009, 06:59 AM

Nope I posted in EXACTLY the right thread!

WOW!!! 50+ links that's a lot isn't it!! </sarcasm> BTW there is no such thing as "dofollow"
When you have 500+ or 5000+ and your site has been around a LOT longer than 6 months you might find the results stabilising.

You obviously have a great deal to learn how search engines actually work.

**livapetr** · 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

Nope I posted in EXACTLY the right thread!

WOW!!! 50+ links that's a lot isn't it!! </sarcasm> BTW there is no such thing as "dofollow"
When you have 500+ or 5000+ and your site has been around a LOT longer than 6 months you might find the results stabilising.

You obviously have a great deal to learn how search engines actually work.

Well... If you don't know what is meant when somebody says "dofollow" LOL !!!!!!!!!! This unofficial term is W.I.D.E.L.Y. spreaded among SEO people.

Now. Maybe I didn't express myself clear. I have 50+ links to E.V.E.R.Y. page, not the whole site. Do some math -- do you believe that while having 50+ backlinks per page you can be out of SERP ? I don't. And I don't understand why I'm even not fluctuating - I'm just out of SERP !!! But I'm indexed and present for search in quotes (20-50th place). That's the question.

**chrishirst** · 10-17-2009, 06:13 AM

Find me an authoratitive source for the absence of a "dofollow" means categorically that the links will actually be followed and given any value by SEs.

Many "SEO people" are still in the belief that it is still 1998 and the tricks that worked then still work today.
At one time the whole world believed the Earth was flat, didn't make that true either though.

**chrishirst** · 10-17-2009, 06:17 AM

Quote:

And I don't understand why I'm even not fluctuating - I'm just out of SERP !!! But I'm indexed and present for search in quotes (20-50th place). That's the question

The simple answer is:

Your page/site is not "important" enough for Google to even bother showing it to searchers.

**Dave the Brave** · 10-18-2009, 07:47 AM

@OP: There could be several reasons your rank is languishing. Perhaps a bit too much duplicate content, inbound links from spammy sites maybe?

As for the number of inbound links, it's dependent on how many inbound links with keyword anchor text the competitors have. Generally speaking, you can beat them just by having more inbound page links with the keyword combination.

Finally, I would try adding links with keyword variations and modifiers, which should help with the overall broad match situation.

**Mr. Gill** · 10-18-2009, 10:10 AM

Site rankings won't fluctuate if you build good relevant backlinks to that page.

**Dave011** · 10-18-2009, 10:21 AM

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Site rankings won't fluctuate if you build good relevant backlinks to that page

sorry!I think not,we can't control SERP by linking to relevant sites.fluctuation always happen.

**livapetr** · 10-18-2009, 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrishirst

Find me an authoratitive source for the absence of a "dofollow" means categorically that the links will actually be followed and given any value by SEs.

Many "SEO people" are still in the belief that it is still 1998 and the tricks that worked then still work today.
At one time the whole world believed the Earth was flat, didn't make that true either though.

Wellll..... These links are shown at G_Webmaster_Tools, I suppose G's bot count them in, right?

OK, you say that article marketing doesn't work, right???

Then what work?

**livapetr** · 10-18-2009, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave the Brave

@OP: There could be several reasons your rank is languishing. Perhaps a bit too much duplicate content, inbound links from spammy sites maybe?

NO, I don't have duplicate content.
Inbound links from article marketing and social sites. Are they spammy? I think not.

**livapetr** · 10-21-2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chrishirst

The simple answer is:

Your page/site is not "important" enough for Google to even bother showing it to searchers.

Exactly! Now, with my original content - how can G's bot evaluate if it is useful for users or not? If it is about uniqueness - the content is unique. If it's about inlinks... I have links from article directories (just one thing, ALL anchors are THE SAME: five words in anchor... maybe it is the reason?)

**chrishirst** · 10-21-2009, 09:41 AM

Nothing to do with "how many words" more to do with the links being of little "value".

The bot doesn't evaluate how "useful your content is". The Google algo determines "importance" or "value" based on the number of natural links the page(s) has/have attracted.

Some links that are deemed to be "self-placed" will probably not be given the same value as links that are determined to be natural.

**Bompa** · 10-21-2009, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by livapetr

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About 3-4 days ago my page appeared in SERP on 33th position for my keyword without quotes, I got some traffic instantly. But after 2 days it dissapeared from SERP again.

Now I don`t know what I`m doing wrong. What`s the problem with my blog/links/Google ??? Why I`m not in SERP for keyword without quotes ?? What sould I do to get there?

I don't think you're doing anything wrong. The fact that your site showed up
at #33 and you got traffic from that tells me that your keyword gets a lot of
traffic and is more than likely very competitive.

The fact that your site shows up with quotes is a sign that you are doing
things right.

I think you need to do more of the same.

Focus more links to your homepage.

good luck,
Bompa

PS: Don't mind chris, he gets uptight now and then.

**chrishirst** · 10-21-2009, 10:24 AM

What do you mean

"now and then"??

surely you "all the time"