I too like everbody want to get listed at a place where a decent PR will pass to me, but I also want to get listed in a place where not only a decent PR will pass to me but also improve my rankings in SERP.

When somebody asked how you distinguish between a bad and a good neighbourhood? I think Linkfarms, bad neighbourhood, blocked PR pages or whatever, have multiple links of multiple subjects on a single page.

In my opinion when so many sites unrealted to each other are listed on same page. They destroy the theme of the page. And I think in that case google spider is unable to assign a proper authority according to its subject theme. In these cases google blocks teh PR of these pages.

Somebody said pages having more than 100 links become blocked pages... No I don`t think so, I have seen pages with more than 200 links passing a decent PR.

It really depends upon the PR of the site and the authority of the site. A directory can become a link farm, if all the links are put on one page..

I have seen some pages which were selling links and making good profit started reducing their prices to an unbelievable level, because they were so busy making profit, they forget to give links only to relevant subjects, and all of the sudden they found google has blocked their PR.


I am not very convinced with this theory..
But just want to know what you people think about it.


--- Just my opinion ---

interesting post to say the least

i know one of my forums sies has hundreds of backlink pages to it... just because of the sheer size of it

i also sell ad space on several other sites and found that it has no bearing on page rank anyway... and honestly, i don't care much about it... it only seems that other webmasters care about it. im more concerned w/ how many times google spiders my sites and how many unique visitors i can get to it - as anyone w/ 2 weeks can get a site to pr5 these days

as anyone w/ 2 weeks can get a site to pr5 these days

I have to agree there. I have a site that I have done pretty much nothing with and in the last shuffle I ended up with a pr3.

Originally Posted by cptnwinky

I have to agree there. I have a site that I have done pretty much nothing with and in the last shuffle I ended up with a pr3.

i don`t agree, that withing two weeks you can get a PR of 5.
For a new site have to wait for atleast 45 days to get to PR5, i.e. two PR updates..

I can see 45 days...Cuz my site aint more than a month old.

Originally Posted by nandini

i don`t agree, that withing two weeks you can get a PR of 5.
For a new site have to wait for atleast 45 days to get to PR5, i.e. two PR updates..

What if someone buys a link on a PR7 page. Dont you think the PR of the receiving page will be PR5 after the next update?

Originally Posted by chandubhai

What if someone buys a link on a PR7 page. Dont you think the PR of the receiving page will be PR5 after the next update?

No... it used to be such in good old days... But now google has introduced lots of filtering in its algo. The BL should be stable. should be around for some time etc..

But this BL update, we are going for another change. I will answer your question in detail after two days... after coming PR update. Google is playing with us right now...

Page ranking is just a rank and one should not worry too much about that. Being able to get your target audience to find you and rank really high up on Google's search engine is much more important.

My new site www.browsersite.com is less than a month old and has a page rank of 0. But I have succeeded in reaching my target audience with my keywords "custom-made browsers" - with or without the quotation marks. Those terms now ranked 1,2,3 on Google.

If you do exchange links with other sites, make sure you check back often to be sure that your links are on.

At one time, I exchanged links with people for my ebook site www.ebook88.com, hoping that they would honor the exchange. After several months, most of the links from the other sites disappeared. Now I do not bother. I just concentrate on putting up good contents, and the search engines has a way of knowing it.

High PR may be worth a lot though ... I can't deny that.

Browsersite
www.browsersite.com

I quick search for custom-made browser. you are indeed at #2 position at no. of page of google search.

congrtas..
No matter how small a competition is ("custom-made browsers" kwd is having a close competition of 41 pages), and achievemnet is an achievement.

But still i doubt seo ecperts will take up your theory of not worrying about Page Rank.

Thanks for the search. I understand this theory well because I have developed 7 sites for myself and sometimes feel so terribly "embarrassed" when I appear right the the top of search engines - even higher than sites I would consider to be more expert than mine.

The truth is that I do not have many back links to my sites less than 30 and now getting less. My ebook site which receive many queries for ads. recieve less than a 100 unique visitors a day, only a page rank of 5, but rank high on google for many keywords type.

So page rank - maybe they just meant how popular your site is, nothing else.

Shenz
www.browsersite.com

Yeah I think every word you said is true.. but still try to get a good position without hypen or quotes.

Because in my personal opinion very few people search for keywords with hypens or quotes.

I was under the impression that Google would suss out non relevant links and end up penalising the site.

Originally Posted by chandubhai

What if someone buys a link on a PR7 page. Dont you think the PR of the receiving page will be PR5 after the next update?

If it is a high PR7 (directory not toolbar) then yes, it most definately can pass pr5 to other sites, sometimes even PR6 depending on the number of outbound links on the pr7 page.. The thing is, that PR by itself does not help you with rankings. It is the anchor text of your links that boosts your serps rank.

Originally Posted by nixonuk

I was under the impression that Google would suss out non relevant links and end up penalising the site.

incorrect assumption and one that many ethicals would love you to believe as it gives them less competition.

Google was born on natural linking. This is defined as someone liking your site enough to link to it from their site. Now I know of many technical websites that link daily to cartoon sites, etc, because they like the comics there. This is a non relevant link, do you really think google will penalize them for it? I sure as heck do not.

Many many links are like the above example, I would guesstimate around 30-40% of the links out there are. Google is not going to mess up the most basic form of natural linking.

The people yelling "theming" are going too far lately saying everything should be themed, especially all links going from your site or to it. This is hogwash, plain and simple.

If google starts to penalize anything, I personally think it will be 100% themed sites, as they read these forums and know that every single SEO out there is doing this. How better to kill a LOT of manipulated rankings in one fell swoop.

Originally Posted by nandini

But still i doubt seo ecperts will take up your theory of not worrying about Page Rank.

PageRank of your own website is not even close to important in rankings anymore. Only the PR of sites linking to YOU matter, and even then, the anchor text is the most important point as far as rankings are concerned.

PageRank is still important.. and anchor text in IBLs from different C class IP addresses matters a lot...
but if you have a good PR you can promote less competitive keywords by putting them in titles, internal links too..

Yes!! I even think that google does not pay much attention to onsite optimization. Have quality links pointing to your site from good PR pages with proper anchor text and voila... "RANKINGS"

I am seeing lots of changes in rankings since few hours...
lets watch for a while..
I am sure we can be going for another Florida dance.

Originally Posted by nandini

but if you have a good PR you can promote less competitive keywords by putting them in titles, internal links too..

Other than that good PR help to find good, high PR link partners. Nobody like exchange link with PR0 site.

Here's the thing about pr (and I thought this thread was about linkfarms...)
Google never actually intended page rank to be so relied upon as
an indicator of quality, merely as a visceral indicator of the probablity
that a user will land on a page, via google. They then take that prediction
and use it to rank a page in their index, which is sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy.
To be honest, if you're using a 1 keword search, then you'll see most
of the top pages have excellent PR, but add a few more keywords to
that, and you will find that even a PR0 can make it to the coveted
Numero Uno. Page Rank has become nothing more than self feeding hype,
with no more indication to quality or rankings than the man in the moon.
It's like when the stock market fell in the early 20th century - when
one person saw that another was selling, they started selling, and the
next person started, and it became a domino effect. Same with PR -
one webmaster saw that another had a good ranking, so they wanted
to have one too, and so on. Like someone in this thread said before,
worry FIRST about rankings, and then about PR. PR is only useful in that
it can make a link more saleable by pure hype.