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Old 04-11-2004, 12:10 AM To Many forums
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I am not very satisfied with all the new forums you have added, I prefer forums that are simple, and only have a few different forums. Please cut back on some of the orums that are not needed.
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Old 04-11-2004, 12:24 AM
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I like the new forums...we actually discussed it earlier. But I think the organization is better now.

...I hate that right bar, though.
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Old 04-11-2004, 12:25 AM
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I don't like the right bar either, but I find it confusing on where to put topics, I have had a few times, where I have had a topic that fits in to more then one forum, but I am not sure where to put it to get the best response.
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Old 04-11-2004, 03:31 AM
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i agree with the right bar
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Old 04-11-2004, 11:18 AM
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Yup. I agree on the right bar too.

I think the number of forums is about right, though.

If you have problems putting a topic in the right forum, post it where you think is best and add a little note asking a moderator to move it if it's in the wrong forum. We would usually do this anyway, but a little reminder is helpful!
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Old 04-11-2004, 12:19 PM
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At http://www.visualbasicforum.com they have 'sub forums' which are forums within other forums. Perhaps some of the new forums ought to be 'sub forums'.

Maybe the right-bar should be collapsible.
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Old 04-11-2004, 01:11 PM For thought.....
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If you think there should be less forums, which ones would you delete? We did have an extensive talk about that one. IMO, we have a good list right now.

I've heard complaints at other forums about sub-forums. Which would you suggest as subs? I think they can make the first page neater, but I'm not sure about which ones to sub.

And the right bar....I think it's great. However, your opinions are invited and appreciated. So, I got to stick mine in here, too.

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Old 04-11-2004, 01:52 PM
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I posted my opinions on the forums in the Site Announcements forum...but no-one seems interested.
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Old 04-11-2004, 02:20 PM
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I am definately not liking the right bar.
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Old 04-11-2004, 02:29 PM
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The right bar is very squashed on my 800*600 resolution.
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Old 04-11-2004, 06:26 PM
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I don't like the right bar because it really doesn't seem to serve much purpose. I know you probably earn quite a lot from the advertising(!) but I'd prefer it across the page, at the top or bottom of the thread. It's such a waste of space at the side of the screen. Perhaps it could just be there on the first page?

As to sub forums, they really annoy me. The affiliate programs forum used to have them, and I found it really confusing. Often I didn't know if there were new posts in there and I hated not being able to see at a glance which forums were busy. I think we should stick to no sub forums.

As to forums to add/remove. I would say merge the graphics programs forums. We coudl have one 'Graphics Software' forum. They just don't seem busy enough! It would be nice if we could split hosting too, but I know this is tricky!
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Old 04-11-2004, 10:43 PM
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Jasc Paint Shop Pro, Adobe Photoshop and Image Ready, Macromedia Fireworks and Flash, Miscellaneous Image Editing Software, Design-All the Rest could all be put in to a Graphics Design Lobby, or a Web Design Lobby. HTML, DHTML and CSS, PHP and MySQL, ASP and Access or SQL, WYSIWYG Editors, Coding - All the rest could all beput in to one nice section called Coding Central or something liek that. Those are just a few selections. It is a proven fact, that having a site that scrolls so much on the index page, will hurt your site. Studies show that people will leave a site if their is to much content to focu on in the main sections. I would really suggest cutting back on the number of forum you have in the main section of the site.
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Old 04-11-2004, 10:49 PM
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I half agree with ATLien. The site scrolls a bunch...BUT, it wouldn't scroll so much for me if that side bar weren't there.

I think the coding section is fine broken up into different languages. I still like my original idea of 3 forums under graphics: Adobe, Macromedia, and The Rest...but I don't think it's too bad right now.

The forums are a bit slow right now...but they've also only been here less than a week.
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Old 04-12-2004, 06:51 AM
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Yes I agree that the forums are a bit slow, but on 56k, I found that the older forums were slower. I also agree with the point that there is no point of that side bar, because I for one have never used it, or even read it - lol!

Could that side bar be spread out down the bottom?
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Old 04-12-2004, 06:59 AM
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i do think that the forum is slow aswell i have a 150kb connection but sometimes due to downloads i cannot come on the forum

also i pretty likes the navigation bar to home page and contacts as it made it easier to scroll thrugh the forum However i love the new post button
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Old 04-12-2004, 01:11 PM
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Thanks for the comments and input (I agree with many of them). I will reply with my thoughts in just a bit...
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Old 04-12-2004, 11:57 PM My thoughts...
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Here are my thoughts on these issues.

1. To many forums

Keep in mind the new forums are less than two weeks old. Some will take off faster than others and some might not take off at all. The more active those forums get, the more new members and guest will be inclined to register and make a post in them. I am doing some PPC advertising trying to find new members who may be interested in those forums in addition to more search engine ranking work for various other keywords.

While I agree the new graphics forums have started of slow, the coding forums are starting off pretty well IMO (the PHP forum in particular). Using subforums is an option but it seems most people don't really like them. If I did this, it would probably be for the graphics forums only. We did used to have one forum just for graphics and one forum just for coding. IMO, that was the right way to start off but at some point I wanted to expand. If it was to early to do this is yet to be seen. As I said in a previous post, if some of the new forums did not start taking off to an acceptable level, I had no problem combining them again (though I hoped we would not need to).

At this point we "might" have to combine some of the graphics forums, but I still think we should try and give it a least several more weeks. But maybe if they don't get moving, we could go the subforum route instead. Then after each of the forums have an acceptable level of posts we could move them back to the index page as there own forums.

Anyway, I'll keep thinking about this and keep listening to your input. Nothing is set in stone and these forums are always a "work in progress." I only think we should give it a few more weeks and then reassess what we should do (and it is very possible we could combine some again or go the subforum route). IMO, it's not a matter of if the new forums should have there own forums but if they are going to be busy enough to warrant it at this time (one interested in PHP or with questions on PHP does not want to sort through a bunch of other threads about ASP, HTML, Javascript or whatever else).

I don't think confusion about where to post is all that much of an issue (seems pretty self explanatory to me) and if it is then one can just ask (or we will move it).

2. The Right Side Bar
I can probably assume that the majority of you with a problem are at 800 x 600 resolution. However, at any resolution, I don't dispute that it certainly takes up more space. This issue is somewhat of a difficult one. We do sell ad space and have partners (which send us new members) with these forums and they either have to go on the top of the forum, bottom, or right side. Placing all the links of our partners in on the bottom of the forums is not really an option anymore. I want to provide value to our advertisers and partners and not bury them on the bottom of the footer. I know not all of you click on them but our advertisers and partners DO get a decent amount of traffic (and they should). Most of them are all "webmaster" related and can prove useful to some members. If you are interested in a new host, there are many to consider. Maybe you are looking for a freelance programmer, affiliate tracking software, shopping cart software etc... Point being that these ads ARE relevant and do proove helpful to many of our members (but obviously won't for everyone).

Getting back on topic, I did briefly try moving the partners and advertisers to the top of the forums and it just didnt look very good. Maybe if I designed it in a better way it would work out. I am NOT dead set on the right side bar. I personally like the side bar as it adds a little uniqueness to the forums (though many other very popular forums use one).

I never intended have the right side bar only for partners or advertisers. There is a lot of other useful info I could add to that section such as recent polls, current contests, maybe a featured member, the list could go on. If I added more forum related content to it would it change your mind? (assuming it probably would not as the space used seems to be the issue).

Meanwhile, while we are still considering the options, I reduced the amount of space it takes up by about 20 pixels (will help just slightly).

3. Load Time
I could possibly change a few things at the expense of the design(removing gradients for a solid color etc) but this probably won't help a whole lot. We use very little large size graphics on the site. Much of the load time is from features we have added such as similiar threads listed on the bottom of threads. I could remove more features if most of you never use them. Overall I don't think load time is to much of an issue but I can understand where it may be slow on a 56k modem (I'll have to test that).

Take Care everyone and thanks for your feedback. Again, nothing is set in stone and could change at anytime. I am super busy and don't always get to things right away but do eventually get to them (I also have a another day job). I am sorry that whatever we do, it is very difficult to make everyone happy but we will try our best.
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Old 04-13-2004, 11:54 AM
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Just bumping this as I want everyone to read my last reply...
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