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Old 06-21-2007, 04:55 PM Real SEO questions
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First, let me put this in perspective. Saying a SEO's job is to optimize for search engines is like saying Muhammad Ali was really good at not falling down. Personally I think it goes beyond that. The only reason we care about search engines is they can bring us traffic, so it's not Google we care about but people who find us on Google. A SEO's job is to optimize a site for people, in ways that it pulls quality traffic, and gets people to convert.

Two of the better SEOs I know about ( VanGogh and Adam Web Design ) insist the most important skill in SEO is being able to write. Not just to hit a bunch of keys until you get "like, I think itz cool, u no?" I've got a bunch of questions I've been meaning to ask people, floating around in the back of my mind. Not so much factual stuff, but wondering how other people deal with writing copy for their site. Mine is a blog, for the record, so I write about things that catch my attention, but 99 % of my content is text.
  • Do you use a comma ( , ) before the word and?
  • Did you learn to write in school, or is it an ongoing process?
  • Do you follow the news? What kind, and how often?
  • How long does it take you to write something, on average? Do you just sit and watch the content flow out of you, or do you put time and effort into crafting it?
  • Are you in the middle of a good book right now? Does reading help you write?
  • How often do you follow the news? What kind?
  • What do you do when you don't have any good ideas to write about?
  • Do you believe in or take part in a "conversation across blogs" and sites, or does your content stand on its own two feet?
  • Finally, how important do you think copy is in SEO?
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Old 06-22-2007, 12:28 AM Re: Real SEO questions
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1) Yes.

2) Ongoing process.

3) I never follow news, since there are at best very few credible sources.

4) Anywhere from 10 minutes to 2 hours, depending on the level of research and thought I have to put into it.

5) No, and no.

6) This is the same as 3).

7) This never happens to me. I always find things to write about.

8) Mostly the latter, but on rare occasions the former. I primarily use other sites as references to points I'm trying to make.

9) Extremely. Unoriginal and/or poorly written copy tends to fail whereas original, well-written copy tends to succeed.

Good questions, dude. It should be interesting to see the other answers.

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Old 07-17-2007, 12:29 AM Re: Real SEO questions
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that is a lot of questions. I guess I can give my opinion here:

1. It is called a serial comma and is important to correct writing aothough it is acceptable by most to not use it

2. writing is truly an art and like any art it is an ongoing learning process.

3. News today is hard to handle. It can cause great depression but most news today is only interested in what Paris Hilton is doing today.

4. I hate to write and I am pretty slow at it. I have written small articles in as little as 30 minutes but I can easily spend 3 or 4 hours if it is in depth.

5. The only book that I am reading now is on PHP programming and I don't think that it helps writing much unless it's on php programming.

6. I have to agree with Adam on this, same as #3.

7. I try and go find out what other people are interested in reading. A quick search of digg can help with that problem. It is always important to write about something people are interested in reding.

8. Both are important for SEO.

9. I probably don't have enough on my sites but I feel that copy is super important to SEO especially if you can strike a nerve with people and they really enjoy your article. They may want to pass it on to others for reading, maybe Digg your article or Stumble and that can drive traffic to your site pretty quickly.
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Old 07-17-2007, 01:20 AM Re: Real SEO questions
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My comments are focused more on building traffic for a client rather than writing for a blog. I consider myself a 'decent' writer but I do not consider myself in the league of several regular contributors to this blog.

Having said that...

1) Yes

2) Only foreign news (Deutsche Welle, BBC etc). All News sources ghave some agenda - I think these have less of an agenda than most others.

3) If I'm inspired - minutes, and I usually wait till I'm inspired.

4) I find doing research helps more than reading books. Certainly being well read is important but most content requirements are single themed and my goal is to know enough about my clients business to intelligently contribute to their marketing efforts.

5) Same as 2)

6) Same as 3) - no inspiration - no writing

7) Stand alone.

8) Hugely important. In my experience the higher the content (and I don't mean just fill), the faster a site will gain traffic (and move up in the rankings).
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Old 07-17-2007, 10:52 PM Re: Real SEO questions
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1) yes

2) ongoing process

3) Yes, although I don't watch it on TV. I scan BBC for anything that I find interesting for "normal" news, and I also read a lot of Internet and web dev news online, but not from any specific source.

4) A long time. I am a very slow writer, and I'm not too fond of it.

5) I'm reading a book by David Baldacci at the moment. I don't know if I can classify it as good, however. I assume reading helps me write, but I honestly have no idea.

7) Then I don't write. This really should be titled Real Blog Questions or Real Writing Questions by the way. SEO is not restricted to blogging, writing, and reading.

8) I give credit where it's due, but I'm not a blogger, so it mostly does not apply to me.

9) If your site's purpose is primarily to serve text content, then this is the most important thing for SEO.
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Old 07-18-2007, 03:21 AM Re: Real SEO questions
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John sorry I missed this when you first asked.

1. Yes - I know it's common now not to include the comma before the and in a series of things, but it doesn't make sense to me not to add it.

one, two, thee, and four seems different to me than one, two, three and four. It's the way I learned it though and quite honestly I don't think it matters much.

2. It's an ongoing process. In college I avoided any class that required writing papers in favor of multiple choice exams if I could. If you want to be a better writer than write more. I listen to advice and try to incorporate those things into my writing. If you keep doing that it starts to become second nature and your overall writing improves.

I also spent a couple of years taking creative writing courses and learning all I could about the craft of writing.

3. I follow any and all news that interests me. At the moment I spend the most time following news in the seo, design, development since that's what I do all day long.

I'm also a sports junkie (particularly baseball) so I follow sports news, mainly espn. I also read the general national, international, local, etc news mostly online at this point. I read a lot.

4. Depends on what I'm writing. Some things I'll let flow out of me, but most of the time I think about what I'm going to write first, then I just write, and when I'm done I go back and proof it and edit it. The crafting to me is part in the editing process and in part learning something new that I can keep in mind when writing.

5. At the moment I'm not really in the middle of a book. The last thing I read was the manual for my new all in one printer. Before that I was reading a book on Ajax programming. Not exactly literature. But I have and do read a lot of literature.

The good stuff. Years ago I came to the realization I could never read everything I wanted to in my lifetime. I decided if I could only read so much I was going to read the good stuff. I started with the classics and found the authors I liked most and started following the trail of who they liked and who they influenced. When I find an author I like I tend to read everything he or she wrote.

Reading absolutely helps writing. And the better the quality of what you read the better the quality of what you write. You'll pick up on their rhythms.

6. Didn't we just do this one. Whew, serious deja vu. I think I forgot to say how often I followed the news. The answer is every day or most every day. I like to know what's going on.

7. Finding things to write about can be hard. I'm going to cheat and send you to a post I wrote on finding ideas for your blog. I think part of the trick is being able to see an idea in the ordinary things you do each day.

Adam is a good example of this. He makes a lot of calls to customer support. Instead of just making the call he writes up what was said and turns it into a post.

Blogging ideas can come from anywhere and you will always go through ups and downs. Some days you will not have any clue what you should write about. Try to find something, but don't feel like the world will end if nothing comes. It's going to happen. The more you keep at it though more often you can come up with something.

You might be surprised, but a few of my posts that have gone over the best were written on days when the last thing in the world I wanted to do was write and I ended up reaching for a topic that I wasn't crazy about.

8. I believe in the conversation. That doesn't mean every post I write is part of some larger conversation with other bloggers, but when I see something else that interests me I do write about it always linking to the original source of the idea. It's actually a good way to get another blogger to notice you and even link back to you if they like what you wrote.

And since I just happened to write about this very topic I'll send you back to my blog one more time. Blogging is a conversation.

Sorry for the links, but isn't this post long enough as it is.

9. Copy certainly plays a part in seo, but I generally don't pay all that much attention to trying to write for search engines with blog posts. If I specifically want the page to rank around a certain phrase I will keep that phrase in the back of my mind while writing, but I just write naturally.

If you're writing a page about red widgets, it's only natural you're going to use the words red and widget in your copy. I might make sure to add them in page titles and headings, but I'll always opt in favor of the person who will read what I wrote over the spider that will crawl the page.

People will tell each other to check out the page and even link to it. Spiders are kind of quiet and live solitary lives without many friends. When was the last time you saw two spiders cruising the boulevard together?

The links that people give you will end up giving more benefit than the extra mention of a word or two on the page.

If you want the page to rank though it is a good idea to get keyphrases in the page title at least and again in the headings for the page.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:54 AM Re: Real SEO questions
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thanks for the information everyone, it will be very helpful for me.
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