Originally Posted by chrishirst

there Is No Such Thing As Dofollow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? When I type dofollow blogs list on google, a significant amount of result show up. Are those all scam?

Can you explain why you think there is no such thing as dofollow?

Originally Posted by juliensimon

Really? When I type dofollow blogs list on google, a significant amount of result show up. Are those all scam?

Can you explain why you think there is no such thing as dofollow?

The attribute can be anything.
However, the generally accepted micro-format that is the opposite of nofollow is rel="vote-for". Some say it should be rev="vote-for" because the semantics make more sense.
http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-faq

As to whether or not the search indexes care is another topic.

Back to "dofollow". If you think about it, even if it was recognized, it would be pointless. All links are implicitly "dofollow" (by default) unless they are marked "nofollow". If this wasn't the case, what would it mean for the majority of links that are not marked as either?

Originally Posted by juliensimon

Really? When I type dofollow blogs list on google, a significant amount of result show up. Are those all scam?

Can you explain why you think there is no such thing as dofollow?

It's fairly self explanatory, simply show me somewhere that documents a "dofollow" value for the rel attribute and how user agents, especially search engine UAs, are to handle it.

As with ALL other robots protocol (meta name="robots" and robots.txt) methods, the rel="nofollow" is an exclusion method. If used it is there to indicate to the bots that honour the methods that the web page/site operator does NOT want this particular element to be used by the bot.
You either block specifically or taciturn approval is accepted as the norm.

Even the much misunderstood and totally unused by any SEs, revisit-after meta is an exclusion. It's purpose, for the only bot that used it, was to tell the the bot not to return for at least the duration specified.

This "dofollow" sillyness is just another piece of misleading, misinformation bandied about willy nilly in a business full of misleading, misinformation.

I see. So there are "dofollow" pages/sites, but it is by default. basically, any not "nofollow" page is a "dofollow". Do you follow me?

this post could be named: " "dofollow" explained by a 5 year old kid."

dofollow is just a term coined by somebody somewhere to mean "not a nofollow".

It may not exist as code, but it's useful in context.

For example, it's easier for me to search for dofollow blogs than it is for me to search through all blogs then filter out the ones that are marked up as nofollow.

So, what hem posted is perfectly valid. dofollow might not be valid mark-up, but it's helpful web speak.

On a completely unrelated note, I think nofollow is the biggest load of bull**** in the SEO world. I have absolutely no time for Matt Cutts' argument that we should all be using nofollow to help Google when it comes to paid links or link exchanges.

Originally Posted by tehfincheh

On a completely unrelated note, I think nofollow is the biggest load of bull**** in the SEO world. I have absolutely no time for Matt Cutts' argument that we should all be using nofollow to help Google when it comes to paid links or link exchanges.

Search engine owners don't care about SEO, they care about providing relevant information to their users.

They mostly consider SEO as little more than attempts to game their systems, not to help their users. For the most part, it's true.

Blogging on other related websites is one of the best SEO/SEM tools available today. If you are looking to benefit in the search ranking you will want to do it on 'Do Follow Blogs." Here is a huge Do Follow list at http://www.tucsonseosolutions.com/dofollowlistoflists

The list has over 300 blogs and forums listed and they keep it current.

Originally Posted by tehfincheh

dofollow is just a term coined by somebody somewhere to mean "not a nofollow".

It may not exist as code, but it's useful in context.

It's not even that useful in context.

It implies that everything that is not specifically "nofollow" will be used, followed and the target URI will be indexed by search engines. This is far from the case.

So the average blog comment spammer/forum signature link spammer goes on his/her merry way fantasising on how to spend the millions that search engines are undoubtedly going to drop in his/her lap for being so clever.
Now, as I won't be there to see the surprised look on their faces when they realise that it isn't going to happen. Stopping them going down this route and saving myself and untold thousands of others the time it takes to delete the unwanted crap would be a much better option.

It implies that everything that is not specifically "nofollow" will be used, followed and the target URI will be indexed by search engines. This is far from the case.

That's exactly what it implies, and in most cases, the search engines do follow the links.

By your logic, what's the point in off-site link building at all if there's a chance that the search engines won't follow the link? You could throw the same argument at social bookmarking sites, natural links and just about any other kind. Of course not ALL links are followed. A lot are though, and it's these links that matter.

So the average blog comment spammer/forum signature link spammer goes on his/her merry way fantasising on how to spend the millions that search engines are undoubtedly going to drop in his/her lap for being so clever.
Now, as I won't be there to see the surprised look on their faces when they realise that it isn't going to happen. Stopping them going down this route and saving myself and untold thousands of others the time it takes to delete the unwanted crap would be a much better option.

You seem to have an extremely shortsighted view of how effective spam can be.

It depends how clever the spammer actually is.

Shoot me for saying it, but spamming blogs with comments is an effective method of link building - when you're using automation software which achieves success through volume.

The "average spammer" is aware of this and appreciates that only a small number of his/her spammed posts are going to avoid deletion.

A spammer who thinks he can make millions from a few blog comment posts is hardly even a spammer. He's a dreamer.

Personally speaking, I've used moderate spam campaigns to achieve great results with abandoned "dofollow" blogs. No comment is guaranteed to get indexed, and no comment is guaranteed to avoid deletion.

But if you've ever experimented with this form of SEM, you'll be aware that volume and post variation are the only factors that matter to a spammer.

Does it bother me if 2,000 webmasters delete my comment? Not if I've spammed 3,000. That's the attitude of the spammer which you seem to have missed in your post.

By your logic, what's the point in off-site link building at all if there's a chance that the search engines won't follow the link? You could throw the same argument at social bookmarking sites, natural links and just about any other kind. Of course not ALL links are followed. A lot are though, and it's these links that matter.

If you read more of my posts, I already do!

Actually the links that REALLY matter are the ones that bring in real visitors and qualified buyers.
The SE benefit of links should really be treated as a bonus.
http://www.webmaster-talk.com/intern...h-traffic.html

You seem to have an extremely shortsighted view of how effective spam can be.

It depends how clever the spammer actually is.

Shoot me for saying it, but spamming blogs with comments is an effective method of link building - when you're using automation software which achieves success through volume.

On the contrary, I do realise how effective spamming can be in the short term.
The spammers using bots to drop links etc, are very easily dealt with via software blocking, you just need the footprint of the bot or the pattern of the access and they will bother you no more, nor will any other spammers using the same bot or method.
It's the random chancers and "SEO Expert link builders" that are more annoying, because there is rarely a detectable pattern in their methods, so you have to use word matching or probability filters (Bayesian style), which take up processor time and memory resources to load the word lists.

So guys, do you know any better way how to increase traffic on a web site or increasing PR..

I think you right, but find dofollow