Is it beneficial to have 20 or so keywords in a title? Or will the outcome not be significant at all?

Also, is it bad to have repeating keywords? For example, say my site is about dogs. Is it bad to have "dog food, dog toys, dog medicine", etc etc?

Thanks!

I think its generally frowned upon to "spam" with keywords - google specifically mentions not to do it so clearly they are on the lookout for it.

I make the titles descriptive sentences with a few decent keywords in there - remember that real people see these titles in the result pages - if it looks interesting they'll more likely click, rather than random collection of words.

Yeah, if you make it sound natural, its a lot better. If you're trying to brand something though, It really doesn't matter.

I think "stuffing" was a bad choice of word. Don't make the title overly long though. And surfer's should know what your site's main title is. i.e. Bracelet lovers world. Not The bracelet lover's world outlet where all sorts of bracelets can be found. Search bracelets here.

Well this is my new site: http://www.lg-chocolate.info. Is the title on there sufficient?

-spenda

it's not the trend nowadays for keyword stuffing esp. on google, gets you banned easily but what is trend today is backlinks so reciprocal link exchanges is a matter of benefit for you and the other site and also content is still king.

You wan't to target 1-3 keywords per page so my question is... why would you stuff 20 keywords into that title just to have an ugly presentation in the SERPs?

Originally Posted by Pearse

You wan't to target 1-3 keywords per page so my question is... why would you stuff 20 keywords into that title just to have an ugly presentation in the SERPs?

I've always just assumed that titles sway SERPs as far as relevancy. Guess that's not true?

-spenda

I agree with the post above... make your title read natural... using more of a sentence structure than just keywords... also leave your domain name out of the title...

HTH

Originally Posted by bigspender

Is it beneficial to have 20 or so keywords in a title? Or will the outcome not be significant at all?

Also, is it bad to have repeating keywords? For example, say my site is about dogs. Is it bad to have "dog food, dog toys, dog medicine", etc etc?

Thanks!

No affect at all. All you need is the keyword "dog" and then after it put "food, toys, medicine, etc" Don't repeat "dog"

Originally Posted by bigspender

I've always just assumed that titles sway SERPs as far as relevancy. Guess that's not true?

-spenda

IMO they do. More so on Yahoo and MSN then with Google, but it also comes down to actually receiving traffic from your SERPs. Myself, I would click on

Blue Widget Info Guide by Blue Widget

than

Buy Blue widget 1, blue widget 2, blue widget 3 etc etc etc...

I'm not saying you need a call to action in your title tag, that goes in your description , but it should stay surfer friendly.

I have to agree - a site that has a interesting sounding title is more likely to get viewed by me, than one that just looks like the usual "Hey I am trying to sell you something at this site!" kinda one that is filled with junk.

Having looked at the site I'd say relax the title a bit (also fix your HTML in the head! You have two </title>s! ) to be something like "Free LG Chocolate downloads and information" (free is well used keyword - arguable use) for the home page and have a specific title for any specific pages.

Stick all the information you have in the title at the moment into a meta description tag, but make sure you change it from just a list of things, to a proper descriptive paragraph.

As far as I know excessive keywords will get you penalized. I think a general rule is no more than four keywords in a title and no more than four listed in a row in the page.

Like other's have said, don't optimize for search engines, optimize for humans. Search engines are constantly being tweaked to mimic what real people would want. So for longevity's sake, you are better off keeping things natural.

Well this is my new site: http://www.lg-chocolate.info. Is the title on there sufficient?

looks good to me

Good point. I think search engines are over-rated. A lot more traffic can be achieved by link exchanges and paid advertising.

Originally Posted by johniman7

Good point. I think search engines are over-rated. A lot more traffic can be achieved by link exchanges and paid advertising.

Search engines are completely free, but I guess your point is arguable..

-spenda

here's a tip: copy the leaders. look up difficult terms (one keyword) and see who's #1-10. follow their style

From my reading (bookworm seo...) Google only weighs the first 55-65 characters in the title, so any more is a waste of time. Check out the SERPs, and you'll see that google cuts off a title past 65-70 characters.

As to stuffing, I'm of the opinion that having a variation of the main keyword in the title is a good idea, or perhaps a repetition.

Lastly, get the keyword(s) in at the start of your title tag, rather than later. Yes, a natural sentence is nice for click through, but you don't get nearly as much click through in position 10 as you do in #1. Rank is more important than "naturalness" of the title, in determining click through.

Originally Posted by johniman7

As far as I know excessive keywords will get you penalized. I think a general rule is no more than four keywords in a title and no more than four listed in a row in the page.

Interesting idea... any way to back that up? Some SEOs, SERPs, etc.?

As many bfore me have said - don't stuff keywords into the title!