You clearly didn't understand what I said. I clearly understood what you said. And in that arrangement, both qrs.com and more importantly the end user gets screwed (because they're being manipulated in an unnatural manner). That's not a good trade. It's a silly trade. And it's not a true 3-way trade, since a 3-way trade would involve three sites run by three people. It's a trade involving three sites and two people....I'd just consider that a more sneaky version of a link exchange.

I also said multiway linking involves more than three sites. Learn to read.

What you're describing is a screwjob, plain and simple. Garbage. Crap. And typical of the SEO industry in general..."what can you do for me next?"

What amazes me about this type of a deal is the way in which people who use it explain it as if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread and that no one should dare question it because they get the upper hand in a deal. That's not how it works. A good idea works for the majority, not one person.

Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

For starters, that's not a 3-way link. A 3-way link is like a 3-way baseball trade...everyone gives something and gets something, and it involves 3 or more sites.

Your contradicting your own statement, how could you tell us that you didn't said that 3-way linking involves 3 or more sites, your the one that should learn how to read and also take some medication cause I think that you're already having some memory GAP problems, For your info Multiway Linking is not the same as 3-way Linking, your probably messing it up...

3-way Linking is a strategy that almost anyone can use, and the issue about its methodology is really not fair, but can you do something about it, can you prevent anyone from using it, there is nothing in the HELL that you can do about it, well let's face the truth that nobody is pure and perfect and we have our own choices to make...

Okay, I misworded that because I was thinking about multiway linking as I typed it. I meant that a three-way trade involves three sites, and didn't actually say it. Consider that a typo, because that's all it was. I'll accept that I typed something I didn't mean to type. You got one on me. Good for you. I know what both are, and I just mistyped something. It happens.

But all you're doing is arguing semantics at this point, because the much deeper issue is that you're screwing people over. You can claim that what you're doing is a "strategy" and that I can't prevent you from using it...and you're right. I could put a picture of a 3-inch ***** on my website, claim it's yours, and there's nothing that you could do about it either.

That doesn't excuse anything. That's not a free pass to do whatever you want. It's just "SEO"-related crap. The fact that you're getting so worked up and defensive about what you're doing only serves to illustrate that point. You know what you're doing is wrong, and yet you keep doing it because "it's a strategy". And just because I can't stop you from using it doesn't mean that I can't tell other people why it's a silly idea (and there isn't a thing you can say to suggest it's not) and keep them from making the same stupid mistake you are.

Originally Posted by ~DaRk-EyE~

For your info here is the proper way to describe 3-way linking...

"You have two websites, redwebsite.com and bluewebsite.com. I have one site, qrs.com. You offer to link bluewebsite.com to qrs.com in return for me linking qrs.com to redwebsite.com."

As I stated before, this is NOT 3-Way linking, it's Multiway Linking:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods...ltiway_linking

HERE is what three way linking is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods...ee_way_linking


Also from the link:

Multiway linking is a technique used for website promotion whereby websites may create similar one way links that each involve 3 or more partner sites. This provides each website with a one way non-reciprocal link. This technique has evolved from reciprocal linking, which is a link created between only 2 websites. According to Google and Yahoo, the latest search algorithms have evolved to hold less favour towards websites that a contain a high percentage of reciprocated links, and a higher favour towards websites that maintain a high level of incoming non-reciprocated (one-way) links.

So these manipulations aren't all that beneficial in the long run.



.............and this is all assuming that the two sites you do own, aren't linking to each other.

Originally Posted by Guerrilla

Can you explain what you mean by "no matter how many layers are involved to hide the fact they're traded" please. Thanks

It seems we're all confused on language, but I'll explain what I meant anyway.

A > B > C > A is a link triangle. People like to imagine these are one way links because if you look at them and only them, B > C is one way. What B gets out of linking to C is a link from A, and A only links to B because C is linking to A.

This is different from a 2 way link, which is A > B > A. Both sites link directly to each other. People use 3 way triangle links to "hide" that it's all a trade scheme. You could go through every letter of the alphabet but still have it make a giant circle. The only reason for this would be if you think 2 way links are obvious and 3 way links can be found, but 26 way links are outside the power of Google to know.

It sounds like you're talking more about A > B and A > C? Maybe I'm confused on what you're proposing. Maybe I'm not up to date on search engine policies. But I think it is more natural (not looks, but is) for this to happen in general.

@John - Yeah, Guerrilla admitted he worded the title wrong, look at post #33

Back near the beginning of this thread, ChrisHirst wisely said:

It's not actual relationships between sites/pages that the SEs are looking for, they are simply looking for "unnatural" linking patterns.

Much of what has been said since focuses around the assumption that your SEO strategy is based on triangular linking alone, or some mulit-party linking alone. In this context, I believe it is unlikely to hold much water, as your backlinks would be associated with such relationships.

However, if you are doing a complete linkbuilding campaign and some of the links are triangular, there should be no problem and the links really should be as helpful as any.

Are there legitimate reasons to do triangular linking? I believe so. While I am the first to delete messages offering such "opportunities", because they are usually not for reasons I would consider legitimate, here are some reasons that might be.

• You have a corporate site that as a matter of policy does not link out, but your information site does
• You have a brand new site with no PageRank and other webmasters would not consider a link from that to be valuable
• You want to add variety to your linking pattern, so you do a limited amount of triangular linkbuilding
• One site is offering a link on a very valuable page and needs two links from less valuable pages in return
• You prefer to return a link in a blog post

There are probably dozens of legitimate reasons why you might want to do triangular linking. Which of these you consider legitimate is up to you, but at least those are ones that I would pay attention to.

one way is still the safest and effective way to rank and please don't try to control SERP's, Google always finds out

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Originally Posted by Guerrilla

Hi,

Has anyone here done triangle linking or 3 way linking recently as part of an optimisation project?

You know the story, site a links to site b in return from a link from site c.

I have posted a lot asking for feedback on these linking structures but people always seem reluctant to share their findings.

Thanks,

G

If a site gets outside links from other websites then some value will pass to the main site...

Originally Posted by Guerrilla

Hi,

Has anyone here done triangle linking or 3 way linking recently as part of an optimisation project?

You know the story, site a links to site b in return from a link from site c.

I have posted a lot asking for feedback on these linking structures but people always seem reluctant to share their findings.

Thanks,

G

#-way link exchange is also good. If your site is new and you need to get backlinks, you need other site that has pr already. Try to convinced your partner that you add hos link to your site (with pr) and in return he must add the link of your new site to his site.

one way is still the safest and effective way to rank and please don't try to control SERP's, Google always finds out

To be sure. Something for nothing is always best, which is why having really unique and useful content will always be the very best linking strategy. Some websites do very well putting all their eggs in that basket, and if you can, more power to you.

Originally Posted by mhaye_01

Triangle Linking is a form of one way link since there is no site's meeting,.
As what I know google prefer this one compare with reciprocal links

Yes it seems like one-way. And I think it is better than reciprocal link.