Originally Posted by Learning Newbie

So much bad advice in this thread.

Keyword density is total rubbish. It's like deciding how good a program is by counting how many lines of source code it has, including comments and white space. Let's put it this way. Keyword density is fake SEO. Anybody who focuses on keyword density density shouldn't be doing SEO work. People who fixate on keyword density probably don't have any clients. Questions about keyword density usually come along with questions about "What's Google?" You shouldn't keyword density on keyword density or keyword density or even keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density, keyword density.

<alt>There are no alt tags!!! I don't know how many times we've been over this, but no one will ever master SEO without knowing the basics of html.</alt>

"Indexability" of pages is a brand new one. Sounds fancy, says nothing.

Meta tags carry no weight with search engines. Sometimes your meta description is shown under your listing, but most times they rather pick their own text to show.

Really there's so much bad info and so little good info in this thread, that anybody trying to learn would be best served to just ignore everything they read in it.

Great post.... usually when one tries to fix the keyword density of one keyword it ends up throwing off the density of another keyword.. It's like riding on a sea saw....

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Originally Posted by chrishirst

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Just wondering ... Do you own this place, are you a volunteer or do you get paid to post here?

Originally Posted by mister-p

Just wondering ... Do you own this place, are you a volunteer or do you get paid to post here?

If Chris owned the place, don't you think he'd be an Administrator?


We're all volunteers

Originally Posted by jamestl2

If Chris owned the place, don't you think he'd be an Administrator?


We're all volunteers

I have many sites I own and I use a moderator and an admin account... You never know who really is behind the profiles...

Excuse me.... is this a discussion or an arguement??

More then 1 item.

Metatags Relevance
OK from what i know.... metatags are used by google.... here is a quick reference without looking for substance:
"Googlebot obeys either, but meta tags apply to single pages only" http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...googlebot.html

If metadata is not important, why is it taught? Why dont you provide evidence to back up your claim? How do searches function if they do not use metatags?

Tool
Now another interesting site.... This one claims to be able to emulate a spiders algorithm output as it sees your site. I want to look up the definition of spider here but im not going to. Webmaster-talk uses keywords:

Meta-Keywords: webmaster forum, web design forum, coding forum, hosting forum, webmaster forums, webmaster

and then of course its cool because you can "extract the keywords"
like http://oyoy.eu/page/keywords/?url=ht...aster-talk.com
The tool: http://oyoy.eu/page/spider/?ua=&url=...aster-talk.com

Lets discuss these sites (google blog and oyoy in relation to SEO).

IFMODIFIEDSINCE Signifigance; Context; Code
Oh there is a couple of other interesting things... if anyone such as chris or christ would like to comment on
first is oyoy's interesting ifmodifiedsince tester.... arent we meant to include code for ifmodifiedsince? I tested one site i know does not have that code... and it tests result 200, what is the signifigance of ifmodifiedsince in the context of an html or web interface page, and exactly what format does one write it in, within for instance, a transitional html document? code?

Google Blog Script, probably adding search module, Can we learn anything here relevant to SEO? Maybe not?

If anyone would like to look at the script on that google webmaster site...
Just from looking at the code (feel free to correct me if im wrong), not the site, this seems to be a script which adds google search box to the blog site, it seems that it might offer different search options (within the blog, within the web etc). I wonder if there is anything that can be learnt here which could help us to improve our own seo... I see it makes references to the searcher, searcher. etc
What does this mean
searcher.setSiteRestriction("010222979794876194725 :abdomvzqczg");
is it loading a size into the array.... maybe not... Anyone?



CODE:

script src='http://www.google.com/uds/api?file=uds.js&v=1.0&key=ABQIAAAAGe7PxO_cWM9yMd6i ldkwxBQB-lgBGc7c8kPNvhnjM5YgBILVQBREChuf4qx3V2vAw6jKsJqcRFC 0Sw' type='text/javascript'></script>
<script language='Javascript' type='text/javascript'>
//<![CDATA[
function OnLoad() {
var controlRoot = document.getElementById("searchResults");
// Create a search control
var searchControl = new GSearchControl();
searchControl.setLinkTarget(GSearch.LINK_TARGET_SE LF);
searchControl.setResultSetSize(GSearch.LARGE_RESUL TSET);

// Tell the searcher to draw itself and tell it where to attach

var searchFormElement = document.getElementById("searchcontrol");
var drawOptions = new GdrawOptions();
drawOptions.setSearchFormRoot(searchFormElement);
drawOptions.setDrawMode(GSearchControl.DRAW_MODE_T ABBED);

// This Blog
var searcher = new GwebSearch();
searcher.setSiteRestriction("http://googlewebmastercentral.blogspot.com/");
searcher.setUserDefinedLabel("This Blog");
searchControl.addSearcher(searcher);
// Official Google Blogs
var searcher = new GwebSearch();
searcher.setSiteRestriction("010222979794876194725 :abdomvzqczg");
searcher.setUserDefinedLabel("Google Blogs");
searchControl.addSearcher(searcher);
// the web
searcher = new GwebSearch();
searchControl.addSearcher(searcher);

// all blogs
searcher = new GblogSearch();
searchControl.addSearcher(searcher);
// news
searcher = new GnewsSearch();
searchControl.addSearcher(searcher);
// draw it
searchControl.draw(controlRoot, drawOptions);
}
//function registerLoadHandler(handler) {
// var node = window;
// if (node.addEventListener) {
// node.addEventListener("load", handler, false);
// } else if (node.attachEvent) {
// node.attachEvent("onload", handler);
// } else {
// node['onload'] = handler;
// }
// return true;
//}
//registerLoadHandler(OnLoad);
//]]>
</script>

Okay, I'm not sure what point you are making but you have the wrong end of the stick on this one

Metatags Relevance
OK from what i know.... metatags are used by google.... here is a quick reference without looking for substance:
"Googlebot obeys either, but meta tags apply to single pages only"

That's about the robots meta element that can be used to exclude pages from the google index and exclude links on that page being followed (and weighted) to the target page.

And this

Google Blog Script, probably adding search module, Can we learn anything here relevant to SEO? Maybe not?

Has nothing at all to do with SEO.
It is simply a search of the google index for pages from the same site that are relevant to the users search phrase.
just as entering "site:www.webmaster-talk.com google" (without quotes) would do.

the If-Modified-Since header is just the usual "we'll make a tool that tell you nothing but we'll make it sound VERY important" link bait crap.

This header is actually used by caching proxies. Search engines use the HTTP response codes to determine the status of a page.
And pages that are scripted will always return the current date for the request unless it is programatically modified.

The closest thing to a REAL crawler is WebBug what that "sees" is exactly what a crawler would see.
The spider or crawler does absolutely no page analysis at all. It's only function is to retrieve the HTML code that is delivered by the server to the requesting user agent, then stream it into it's datacentre along with the response code that is received.

What these "emulator" tools do is try to be the SE indexer as well, and perform some rudimentary analysis of a page based on what the programmer though SEs "might" be looking for.

Originally Posted by mister-p

I have many sites I own and I use a moderator and an admin account... You never know who really is behind the profiles...

I'd be a little more than slightly freaked out upon learning that Chris and Tim are the exact same person.

to be continued.
Not game enough to download the "free" web bug. exe prog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_bug
If anyone can attest to its usefulness, please feel free.

Ok so you play with the "tools" but won't try something that is really useful.

And BTW it is only useful when you understand what the response codes mean, if you are simply after unimportant and useless "metrics" such as "keyword density" or how many characters should be in the title/meta keywords/description etc. Don't bother.

I am open to reading such response code. If you have time, will you paste this output for an example?

I do not rule out keyword density metrics at this point, there is a whole industry which uses repetition of keywords in content production, called copywrighting.

real copywriters pay absolutely no attention to a non-existent metric based around such silliness as there being an exact percentage of "keyword density" that is "ideal" for search engines.

What Hirst said. Keyword density is one of those things that only exists in the minds of idiots. The "Miserable Failure" Googlebomb taught us that.

Copywriters won't use a word in a place that it doesn't fit. They will use words in places that they do fit.