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Old 08-10-2009, 12:54 AM Government abusing its powers with the web
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I'm a strong conservative and patriot of this country, and in this past six months I am becoming fearful of my government. Something that US citizens should never feel. Lately the government has asked that citizens report suspicious articles to flag@whitehouse.org. This is a violation of one of our most important rights not only as Americans but as Human Beings. Have the bureaucrats in the white house administration even read the Constitution or the Deceleration of Independence? If so, do they understand what it says

1st amendment of the Constitution
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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With Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the house, talking about how people gathering at town hall meetings are angry mobs and carrying swastikas is outrageous. However, going back to the point. I have recently read an articles discussing how the government is considering tracking you online with cookies.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Afte...ain/1248717889

Although cookies can be very useful, they are not mandatory for web purposes and I do not want to be tracked every time I visit a government website. I understand that most of the time this will be for legitimate purposes, the general public does not understand this. A fear has made people suspicious of cookies and what they can do. Therefore people will be more scared to browse the internet regarding health care and other important bills. People are SCARED that the government will somehow punish them for exercising the rights given to them in the constitution.

Tell me what you think about the issue. I'm always open to opinion. I think it is our duty as American Citizens and knowledgeable and talented webmasters to warn the public on this issue.
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Old 08-10-2009, 02:37 AM Re: Government abusing its powers with the web
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"Deceleration of Independence" was a true name under the 43rd, not President Obama. The Obama administration is asking for information for their own use which is publicly available. Under his treasonous predecessor, phones were tapped, people were kidnapped (a.k.a. "rendition"), evidence was falsified, and people were tortured. Obama, on the other hand, is trying to strengthen the foundation of our country by ensuring greater health benefits to the populace. Which ought an intelligent being fear more?

You proceed with the Republican fear-mongering -- they can't rest on facts, so they want you to be afraid of what they cannot define -- by fearing the all-powerful cookie. Intriguingly enough, your fear mongering is addressed by the very press release by the White House:

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Originally Posted by http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/Federal-Websites-Cookie-Policy/
Under the framework we're looking at, any Federal agency using web tracking technologies on a Federal Government website would be subject to basic principles governing the use of such technologies and would be required to:

* Adhere to all existing laws and policies (including those designed to protect privacy) governing the collection, use, retention, and safeguarding of any data gathered from users;
* Post clear and conspicuous notice on the website of the use of web tracking technologies;
* Provide a clear and understandable means for a user to opt-out of being tracked; and
* Not discriminate against those users who decide to opt-out, in terms of their access to information.
(underlining added for emphasis)

You really have only provided vague generalizations, unfounded accusations, self-defeating assertions, and arbitrary fear. To what end?

Do Republicans really think that the American populace is so enamored with blindly following principles, philosophies, and legislation which have time and again proven to be substantial failures that they, the American populace, will shout (as do the paid individuals who are disrupting free speech by intefering with the rights of people to speak directly to their own Congressional representative), "Yes, we are scared! We do not want health care for everyone. Those who can't afford health care should die so that the rich can keep their money. Oh, dearie me! Please Republican disaster, save us from this socialism! We must be saved from health care -- it's dangerous. We love having profit mongerers (i.e. insurance companies) decide whether we live or die than an less-partial system with a board of doctors recommending treatment!"

Seriously? That is the best that the Republican establishment can offer as an alternative to more people being able to receive health care? Fear?

The Republican policy has harmed our country immeasurably under the administration of the 43rd and all along told us to be afraid: afraid of terrorists, afraid of Democrats, afraid of health care, afraid of ... everything non-Republican.

I, for one, as a patriot of this country do not fear. I do not fear Democrats, Republicans, terrorists, health care... "The only thing to fear is fear itself!"

Republicans should be learning a very hard lesson: Americans are not cowards! We do not run around fearing the rest of the world, our own leaders (we replace tyrants like the 43rd), terrorists (remember those who stood up against the terrorists on 9/11!!!), or bettering our country.

It is intriguing to notice how so many people have lived longer, healthier lives from Medicare, but it was fought against by Republicans as "communist" in nature. Today, we see the same argument as "socialist" in nature. And, other arguments provided today are largely what they were back then (see http://www.library.arizona.edu/exhib...th/620601.html , for examle). What Republicans miss in their unfettered war against America to promote monopolistic businesses and the proliferation of Christianity as law is that some tasks are larger than a business or an individual (or group thereof); some tasks are so large that the most effective (though not perfect) means of achieving a goal is through "society" via it's elected representative: the government. We would all love to be able to achieve such great tasks without the assistance of government (as it is not perfect), but stuck in the world of reality, we must settle for the best we can foresee at a given time. Health care is one such activity as has been demonstrated by the relative success of Medicare (I did not claim it was perfect!).

Currently, I know all too many people who have to go to the ER b/c they cannot get medical care from a doctor due to not being able to afford insurance, but ER's must take them. This results in quite a big mess that could otherwise be largely avoided.

I'd suggest that most of us know people who have been unable to get health care due to insufficient funds and have, as a direct consequence, developed far more serious diseases which require more extensive and expensive care or result in death.

By building a foundation which allows those who need care to obtain care, we provide a foundation for a stronger, healthier America.

This should not be feared, but welcomed. Cautiously given the power of the government, but welcomed nonetheless.

I agree with President Obama, "you'll hear the same old tired arguments."

I am insulted, however, that fear and disruption are the Republican tactics deployed here. They disrespect America in an effort to gain American voters -- perhaps that is why they are losing power and have lost sight of the "permanent Republican majority."
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Old 08-10-2009, 03:36 AM Re: Government abusing its powers with the web
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Hmmm...I shall be checking out the ACLU's take on this forthwith. I'll stay out of the partisan bickering, but will say that I know personally several conservatives in a predominantly red state who railed against Bush's constitutional abuses. As a moderate, but one who knows that government tramples our constitutional rights across party lines, let me tell you this reeks of legerdemain to justify a form of wiretapping. They'd better have a warrant.

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Old 08-10-2009, 08:12 PM Re: Government abusing its powers with the web
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Seriously? That is the best that the Republican establishment can offer as an alternative to more people being able to receive health care? Fear?
Interesting response. However, the biggest problem with health care is that it isn't a right for people to have health care. I am afraid. Government can run very few programs effectively, in fact, the only programs government has been able to run effectively and consistently is those listed within the Constitution.

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The Republican policy has harmed our country immeasurably under the administration of the 43rd...
How has the republican policy hurt our country when, its entire basis is set upon trying to restore and protect the Constitution.

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...and all along told us to be afraid: afraid of terrorists, afraid of Democrats, afraid of health care, afraid of ... everything non-Republican.
Why wouldn't you be afraid of terrorist groups and powerful tyrannical government. Haven't people learned with Russia and other communist and socialist governments that they do not work. Human ingenuity and will to be free will not allow them to work.

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Republicans should be learning a very hard lesson: Americans are not cowards! We do not run around fearing the rest of the world, our own leaders (we replace tyrants like the 43rd), terrorists (remember those who stood up against the terrorists on 9/11!!!), or bettering our country.
Americans are not cowards, this is why they are voicing there opinions at town hall meetings. This isn't organized assemblies, but proud Americans that dislike Obama's health care. Obama's approval ratings are lower than Bush's were in his first 6 months. The deficit is growing tremendously, something the founders warned us about.

Above all, citizens should not trust their governments. A government should be set up to protect the peoples basic rights as humans, not provide them rights that in the end just increase their power.

I'm glad you have a well thought out opinion, but it is people like you that think government should take care of their lives that is hurting the principal of the individuality. The principal that has been a cornerstone to American ingenuity and greatness.

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In response to your bashings on Bush as a president. I agree, he has set forth bad economic policies, however, he was a great war time president, who was strong and fought for what he believed even though the media strangled him everywhere he went. In comparison with Obama, Obama fails to have a strong war time policy and apologizes to our enemies, showing how weak we are.
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Old 08-13-2009, 02:00 AM Re: Resting on the shoulders of those before me...
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REQUEST: Cite a single, fairly-reputable source where Obama has "apologized" for the actions of the 43rd. If memory serves, he has simply indicated that we are now on a new, more-peaceful way forward.
I can't believe you haven't heard about this.

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/oli...25/229191.html

http://www.againstobama.com/2009/04/...g-for-america/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_182740.html


Obama blaming deficit on Bush:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19208.html


Also take a look at the way the Russians don't even respect the man who leads the most powerful nation in the world, maybe .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYHlHIWmS1Y


Back to the health care debate. I'm glad Outlaws and Giselle understand that Health Care is a guaranteed right for the people by the federal government. States can be as powerful of a government as they want as long as they don't overstep the limits in the Constitution

10th Amendment

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

I'd have no problem with Michigan, the state I live in, setting up a tax payer health care system. I would just move to another state if I didn't like it.

Also on the same note, if the government passed an Amendment that said people had a right to health care. I'd have no problem with it either. As long as it was what the people wanted.

The bottom line is that the people don't want health care. This vote will determine if we still live in the same American we did when the founders founded it.
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Old 08-13-2009, 06:22 PM Re: Government abusing its powers with the web
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Split the thread. Health care really is a separate debate. This is the ACLU's take on the new cookie policy:

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/gen/40662prs20090810.html

While I don't always agree with the ACLU's take on things, I do think that they're spot-on here. When you create an atmosphere of fear regarding even visiting a government website, you've just laid the cornerstone of tyranny.

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