read this http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle2233878.ece

Obviously he can be a father.. But being a good one has never been a consideration for many of the children born.. In fact, many don't even have a father in their lives so whether he turns out to be "good" or not is sort if irrelevant as far as I'm concerned..

But in a sick way it's sort of comforting to see that folks on welfare in Britain are the same as they are here.. Family (mom / dad) not working, 5 kids, babies having babies.. Sounds just like here..

puts on flame suit

He's already a good father with caring and loving, with financial no, he's just a child himself.

I think he can be a good father despite of his age. Of course, this isn’t possible without the guidance of his parents.

Originally Posted by Feydakin

Family (mom / dad) not working, 5 kids, babies having babies.. Sounds just like here.

Almost.. she apparently hasnt gone in for invitro yet to be implanted with 8 children, paying for it with money from what was likely a frivolous law suit.

On topic, I dont think age is a qualifier to be a good father. However, given that wisdom comes with age, and in child rearing, it helps to be a bit wiser than your kids, to say he could be a good father is not unfathomable, but certainly a bit of a stretch.

Originally Posted by Giselle

He's already a good father with caring and loving, with financial no, he's just a child himself.

I don't see how someone can be a "good" father just with care and love... A child needs more than those things. Without any money there is no way this child can be a good father. If the boys parents decide to help the kids out and pay for everything that makes the boys parents good grandparents but still does nothing for the boy himself.

Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

I don't see how someone can be a "good" father just with care and love... A child needs more than those things. Without any money there is no way this child can be a good father. If the boys parents decide to help the kids out and pay for everything that makes the boys parents good grandparents but still does nothing for the boy himself.

You are right Phil, the boy has a mentality of a 13 year old and rightfully so, because he is only 13. Only through the love, support and guidance of his parents will tell more of the story whether he will make a good parent when he is older. Right now I see a young lad who is caring and loving for his daughter, but doesn't have a clue as to the responsibilities that go with rearing a child.

It's legitimate in our day and age for a 16 year old girl to give birth and be a mother, and frequent. The law states this. Centuries ago the age level was less, in all cultures, legally.

Biology (which has been the same the whole time) apparently feels it is okay for a human to become a parent aged about 13 and onwards, when they become physically capable of it... we can make whatever rules we want, but biology is biology.

I believe that if this youngster hadn't been in the national and international press, the discussion point across the globe of people too bored to do something useful, make money, save a child, love someone they love, etc, (wait a minute, I better get off this thread and do something legitimate, eh?) perhaps it wouldn't have been a big problem, but now he is just another part of the media freak show. Hey look - there's a problem, someone's life is screwed up, why don't we put it on global news to 100s of millions of viewers - that's BOUND to be the responsible thing to do.

I'd like to put the press and publicists into a freak show, me. I think I may indeed use the internet to do that, eh? Defend the meek? After all, they'll inherit the earth, and pay me well.

That was very shocking News! everyone was really shocked about that confession. Regarding the question. If he can be a good father at the age of 13? Wow! that was quite terrible. I guess he can't. He is too young for a big responsibility. For sure, their parents will help them in taking care of the baby. He can't be a good father now, but I know time will come that he can be.

Originally Posted by Cheshire_cat

I don't see how someone can be a "good" father just with care and love... A child needs more than those things. Without any money there is no way this child can be a good father. If the boys parents decide to help the kids out and pay for everything that makes the boys parents good grandparents but still does nothing for the boy himself.

He can probably get government help - child benefits, to begin with, jobseekers' allowance (he should quit school and get a job - in uk/usa/etc education is very substandard currently due to 10 years of shifting focus toward money making - I am qualified to judge, I went to one of the 8 original public schools (where i was close to top at everything except geography and history! naturally - since you guys call persia iran, iraq, israel and india pakistan, etc) and even there, and at oxford, there were far too many morons - but now, many downgradings of the syllabus later, the children are really leaving education with as much intelligence as me and my peers had when we left pre-school.)

So in fact money is not a problem unless he wants to buy his child a pony or something. If he is not a drug-user (including alcohol, cigarettes), and he goes and claims child benefits, and income support, and gets a job (easily possible for a good wage at 13 these days, admittedly less than people older than him) then he can easily be a "good father".

Money is soooo far away from what a good father gives.

afterthought...
Think of it like this, vis a vis his job - he's 13 and had a baby... but he's white... so he can still get a job more easily than me, who's 32, have an oxford education and a ysl suit for my interview... but am middle-eastern-come-indian with a muslim name that sounds like a cross between Hamas and Iran. I may as well be called Hamas Irani. My name practically looks and sounds the same!

so he'll be fine. he's white, he'll get a job. max clifford probably already is paying him money for the huge wealth of press money this birth has already generated!

I have seen an 18 year old dude work hard for a mother and a baby, I have seen a party lover dude gone straight at 20 after having a child, but what is there to expect out of a 13 years old, I mean, no dis respect to the dude but I don't think there are any place out there where he could work or something to earn money for a nappie, well, I guess the parents of the lad would be giving him more than £10 now that he's got responsibilities

Not only is he not mature enough at 13 to be a good father but the need to grow up so quickly will cause problems for him later in life and he won't be a good father then either. When a child is forced to grow up like that and doesn't have the chance to be a kid regrets surface later in life. It isn't always a conscious matter but there are always psychological effects of having that much responsibility at such a young age. The best case scenario for all of them is if the "grandparent" take most of the responsibility and let the parents continue their adolescence while still being pivotal in the baby's life.

Originally Posted by KML9870

Not only is he not mature enough at 13 to be a good father but the need to grow up so quickly will cause problems for him later in life and he won't be a good father then either. When a child is forced to grow up like that and doesn't have the chance to be a kid regrets surface later in life. It isn't always a conscious matter but there are always psychological effects of having that much responsibility at such a young age. The best case scenario for all of them is if the "grandparent" take most of the responsibility and let the parents continue their adolescence while still being pivotal in the baby's life.

You must spread some Talkupation around before giving it to KML9870 again.

A lot of wisdom in these words. I couldn't have put my thought down any better.
Great post Kandi

Being a kid is highly overrated..

I did a bit of reading and it seems that the boy can't even get an apprenticeship until he's 16... this is a bit of a flaw. Nonetheless, if he does a paper round in the morning and one in the evening, he'll be alright.

http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Be...ships-for.aspx


Also, he could take a leaf out of the book of 90% of the people "passing through" a lot of forums - he could spam for a living... definitely no age restrictions on what he can make from being self employed online because he could always put the money/business in the name of a relative - older brother, parent, etc.

(someone should send him amit's viagra-affiliate-network list! it's the most ironic way for him to make money - selling hard-ons to 60 year olds!)

I reckon he should go for it - he has no choice. He should try and get full independence and raise his child himself. By 16 he'll have matured a lot. Like I said, as long as he takes no drugs, has good health, and lives a basically moral life, why does it matter what age he is?

I reckon anyone here stuck in the mud about how old you have to be before you are "allowed" children should go take their concerns to whoever made the human body. He's 13, he had a child. That's a biological fact. If you wanna pretend it's "wrong" then please explain why Nature/God didn't make it impossible? Obviously it's NOT wrong - it's part of nature. Our society is so warped that we believe whatever rules we make up must be the infinitely-true permanently-correct rules. We are a bit of a stupid species really.


One may of course wonder at the kind of lifestyle that leads a 13 y/o to have kids - but that really comes down to the parents and teachers and council workers (allegedly there to make the life of local children of such a quality that they don't behave like people off of a jerry springer programme) who are 100% accountable for this, NOT the boy.

Age is so irrelevant. And in 3 years he'll be 16 and there'd be absolutely NO QUESTION that it's okay to have kids at 16.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

I did a bit of reading and it seems that the boy can't even get an apprenticeship until he's 16... this is a bit of a flaw. Nonetheless, if he does a paper round in the morning and one in the evening, he'll be alright.

http://www.apprenticeships.org.uk/Be...ships-for.aspx


Also, he could take a leaf out of the book of 90% of the people "passing through" a lot of forums - he could spam for a living... definitely no age restrictions on what he can make from being self employed online because he could always put the money/business in the name of a relative - older brother, parent, etc.

(someone should send him amit's viagra-affiliate-network list! it's the most ironic way for him to make money - selling hard-ons to 60 year olds!)

I reckon he should go for it - he has no choice. He should try and get full independence and raise his child himself. By 16 he'll have matured a lot. Like I said, as long as he takes no drugs, has good health, and lives a basically moral life, why does it matter what age he is?

I reckon anyone here stuck in the mud about how old you have to be before you are "allowed" children should go take their concerns to whoever made the human body. He's 13, he had a child. That's a biological fact. If you wanna pretend it's "wrong" then please explain why Nature/God didn't make it impossible? Obviously it's NOT wrong - it's part of nature. Our society is so warped that we believe whatever rules we make up must be the infinitely-true permanently-correct rules. We are a bit of a stupid species really.


One may of course wonder at the kind of lifestyle that leads a 13 y/o to have kids - but that really comes down to the parents and teachers and council workers (allegedly there to make the life of local children of such a quality that they don't behave like people off of a jerry springer programme) who are 100% accountable for this, NOT the boy.

Age is so irrelevant. And in 3 years he'll be 16 and there'd be absolutely NO QUESTION that it's okay to have kids at 16.

sure. and if he misses too many classes because of having to raise the baby, he can just go to high school with his son.

ah, but in canada you probably have genuine education. in britain, honestly, this is NOT an exaggeration, education is absolutely appalling. this boy would learn a LOT more from leaving school and making money. that's the sad truth. i don't pretend to like it.

no seriously - this guy will not really gain ANYTHING from going "to class" if most of the people of this country that i meet are anything to go by.

in britain education has been pretty much 100% owned by the elite and everyone else just goes to school in order for the house to be less dirty when their mum and dad get home from work - it's NOt about learning, not in britain. Since John Major's government started reducing the standards needed for A grades at various levels of education (in fact they started by removing the old type of exam and replacing it with a much easier one) people have just got worse and worse.

I studied A-level maths when I was 16 - which was the same time roughly when the government was starting to totally change syllabuses for kids. Really good teachers at my school, by the time I was 18, were speaking of retiring from teaching because of how awful the new standards were and how much it was really ruining their lives.

It's no joke, no lie - britain's education is totally rubbish now - it is pretty much heading for total ruin. As well as tonnes of "vocational" courses people have been doing in droves (like property manager degrees! and mortgage advisor degrees! no seriously - the greed has warped MUCH MORE than just the balance of sme's versus giant corporations) the general trend has accelerated toward TOTAL INNUMERACY and a high degree of other forms of ignorance.

if you want a good education, don't come to england. and i'm officially one of the cleverest people of my generation (i was stoned out of my tiny mind when Oxford gave me the 2E offer which made it compulsory for me to have an ego the size of jupiter).

anyway, school is just an indoctrination clinic, not something provided by nature. i think people should be less sophisticated, more natural - and hey, after the apocalypse, i'm sure the survivors WILL be... i bet you if the apocalypse reached gear 9 today, and most of the world was incinerated, that boy would survive and most people here would not.

i take it back - if he goes to class he WILL gain ONE thing - about 20 more girls to impregnate. i say keep him at home and get him to post sig links on forums for 10 cents a shot.

i didn't insult any other member and i request that someone get KML off my back - she obviously doesn't like muslims. can you please stop her. she's messing up some of my funniest jokes!

if she persists in persecuting muslims i WILL decide that this site is too bigoted for my presence any more. heck, i think it's about that time already. I can let KML do this to me for the next few months until i have lost my wonderful recent gained zenith of confidence, or i can say - forget it. i will abandon chris and abel and vicky and the cool people of this forum because some nit has it in for me here and being an asian muslim with an oxford degree a rich dad and (well okay i admit it) good looks, i am VERY USED TO people having it in for me and trying to give me a hard time because of their own insecurities, hangups and personal need to be a dictator over others, and i know VERY WELL that the only way for me to now suffer no more crap from webmaster-talk's least talented moderator is for me to **** the hell off. i suspect it's best if i do. charlie sheen would definitely **** the hell off. jesus wouldn't. but then jesus was nailed to a tree and charlie sheen has screwed just about every fit woman in hollywood.

and on a thread about sexual irresponsibility too! what kind of morality am i trying to espouse here?