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I wasn't wrong when I recently stated that the USA can "no longer afford" to buy the kind of allegiance it has relied on recently....


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Kyrgyzstan's president has said his government is closing a key US air base on its territory.
Kurmanbek Bakiyev made the announcement in Moscow, where he was promised more than $2bn (£1.4bn) in aid by Russia.
Despite this officials in Washington said the US was still hoping to continue using the Manas base.
Manas - outside the Kyrgyz capital, Bishkek - supports US and Nato operations in Afghanistan and is the only US base in Central Asia.
The closure of the base will be a big blow for those operations in Afghanistan, the BBC's Richard Galpin in Moscow says.
It is a hugely important air base for us


Geoff Morell
Pentagon spokesman

The announcement comes at a critical moment, just as the new administration of US President Barack Obama plans a sharp increase in the number of American troops in Afghanistan.
For Russia, on the other hand, it is a significant diplomatic victory as it seeks to reassert its influence in all former Soviet republics and beyond, our correspondent says.
'Right price'
In Moscow, President Bakiyev said his government "has made the decision on ending the term for the American base on the territory of Kyrgyzstan".
He said the Manas base - set up in 2001 to assist the US military operation against al-Qaeda and the Taleban in Afghanistan - was only meant to be open for two years at the most.

The US base has been the focus of local protests

But perhaps more importantly, he made it clear the Americans had not been willing to pay what Bishkek regards as the right price to keep the base open, our correspondent says.





http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7868586.stm






Indeed, less and less people will help the USA from now on - did you see the pathetic attempt on the news to make people think that Britain is still the USA's ally? There isn't a more anti-american country in Europe than Britain... but what does it matter what an American politician tells their voters about the outside world? It's one of the most closed society's on the planet. What China achieves through brutality and indoctrination, the USA achieves through total vacuousness and a voluntary desire for tame subservience.



Let's hope a LOT MORE US BASES close in 2009! Long live peace.



The weather in Britain will be cold. Now here's CBWM/Feydakin with some dubious right-wing pro-militarism claim...
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Old 02-04-2009, 09:02 AM Re: Withdrawal from illegal Afghan war grows likelier
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There isn't a more anti-american country in Europe than Britain
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It's one of the most closed society's on the planet


Who needs to respond to the guy who claims the sky is falling, or the world is flat? (Did you know Britain is not in Europe?)



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What China achieves through brutality and indoctrination, the USA achieves through total vacuousness and a voluntary desire for tame subservience.
Interesting. And here I thought it was desire for peace, which is necessary for capitalism to function.

I digress, please continue your "America is the great Satan" rant. It provides a nice clear image of where you are coming from. Shame its going to cost you some of the sympathy points you asked for in many of your previous threads.
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Old 02-04-2009, 11:00 AM Re: Withdrawal from illegal Afghan war grows likelier
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America is not going to withdraw immediately, or even soon. Obama said continuously during his campaign that part of his strategy in withdrawing troops from Iraq was to increase the force in Afghanistan, which is badly in need of reinforcements.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:41 PM Re: Withdrawal from illegal Afghan war grows likelier
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Obama said a lot of things that didn't mean anything - he made overtures to muslims yet remained silent while palestinian children were killed while "playing on the beach"!

But the sad fact is that the USA would never have been allowed into Afghanistan without British co-operation and the foreign secretary here has already stated the Prime Minister's view that the war in Afghanistan was a big mistake and should never have happened. British troops will end up pulling out.

In Iraq the pullout was first billed as a "slow withdrawal" and even today a lot of Americans have been led to believe that "US operations" continue for a couple of years... the reality (away from the public relations) is that on 1st jan 2009, the iraq war ended and americans no longer have any rights to kill in iraq. Any american doing so can be shot dead and international forces will not stick up for that american any more.

The same is happening in afghanistan. When I used to work for that company where I spoke to many US and European soldiers I discovered that the armies' position in afghanistan is the complete opposite to the bravado put out by the right wing press... they have bad money problems, their morale is sapped by the fact that most soldiers consider themselves to be conducting immoral and illegal activities (although US soldiers were just depressed because they're the ones thrown into early graves most often out of nato troops).

The war in Afghanistan is illegal, immoral and failing. Britain has already made an unofficial yet CLEAR (to labour's voters, who demand it - this I have from the horse's mouth, labour party senior campaigners, face to face discussions with) that WE are pulling out of Afghanistan.

The troops I'd speak to in Europe, moreover, bitterly told me that the US troops were "the enemy" and that they "only care about themselves". Europe's armies 99% want to fight AGAINST the USA, not with her.

Obama lied to you. He said that because he wouldn't be president now if he had threatened to end the Afghanistan war! Unlike Britain, the voters in the USA are pro-war!

But if Obama says operations in Afghanistan are ending, later this year, and pulls out troops - you can't vote him out of office. He still has his whole presidency. I wouldn't rely on his word so much. Politicians are famous for breaking promises.

The USA has lost most of its military support in Afghanistan and was always losing there - to persist would be very suicidal for the US economy. Is obesy going to do what's bad for the economy? I don't believe so, myself. Plus, as the first black president he won't, surely, go down as a supporter of any illegal racist war!
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Old 02-05-2009, 07:35 PM Re: Withdrawal from illegal Afghan war grows likelier
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The war in Afghanistan is illegal, immoral and failing.
So now you are a pro-Taliban/Al Queda guy. Not surprising. Perhaps you were one of the idiots dancing and rejoicing in the streets of Palestine on 9-11-01 as innocent people jumped to their death from a burning building? Before you lump the British PM and the rest of Europe into that pot, maybe you should provide some quotes or statistics that backup your claims?

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Europe's armies 99% want to fight AGAINST the USA, not with her.
99%. Really. 99%. This is based on what survey? I don't want to be insulting, but seriously, making a statement like that makes me question your oxford education.

What if I were to say, "Did you know most Palestinians are Pro-Israel? They want to fight against Hamas, not with her!"
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Old 02-05-2009, 09:51 PM Re: Withdrawal from illegal Afghan war grows likelier
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You really want a quick end to the war in Afghanistan? Bomb the poppy fields with rock salt. Lots of it. It doesn't take a genius to know why that would work. Cut the drug money (ironic that a fundamentalist Muslim movement finances itself that way) you cut the power.

Now, imagine you're an Afghan, just trying to go about the business of your day. Your choices are the US Military, who may accidentally kill you, or a group of thugs who DEFINITELY will steal everything you own, and will likely kill you on purpose (also ironic for "good Muslims"). What would YOU choose? Are you so incredibly blind to miss that Afghanistan was trying to get the Taliban out before Americans ever got involved? Small wonder that they would, since the Taliban try to act like the Mafia (but please don't insult the real Mafia by telling THEM that).

BTW, fundamentalist Islamists would despise Obama for being ethnically Muslim but not a follower of Islam. They fired the first shots in the form of passenger jets, against people they only knew as Americans. THAT is the dictionary definition of racism, pal. I challenge you to qualify how US involvement in Afghanistan does.

Dear God, you'd think that bleeding hearts and right wingers were all you had on this forum....

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Old 02-06-2009, 12:41 PM Re: Withdrawal from illegal Afghan war grows likelier
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Hey! Just because I've smoked a joint or two doesnt make me a bleeding heart!
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