Today the U.S. government labor report announced the loss of 524,000 jobs in the final month of 2008.

If we also take into account the previous two month’s figures (which have been revised upward in this latest report): “November’s job loss was revised up to 584,000 from 533,000, and October was revised up to 423,000″, then we can calculate an average of 510,333 jobs lost per month over the last three months. If we take this figure and extend it over the next 12 months, you get 6,124,000. That is over six million jobs at stake in 2009.


For those who thought 2008 was bad and the government’s announcment in Dec. ‘08 regarding the economy being in a recession are in for a harsh surprise. Six million jobs will be a lot of jobs lost. And if you consider that each person employed also has a partner and child that leaves 18,000,000 Americans without a job’s income or said differently, dependant on government support. Are you prepared to lose your job?



What do you guys think?

Beautiful! So tell me Efsane... who are you? What's your story? If you don't mind sharing. Perhaps you can join me - I am currently launching a very big operation to totally financially cripple all the sorts of people you are talking about.

Originally Posted by Efsane 66

What do you guys think?

I think that if you were a student of history, you wouldn't be trying to spin things as worse than they are. I know it seems like this would be glorious news to you, but you haven't thought it through.

Damaged financial markets will unquestionably make things worse in the U.S.. Unfortunately, every nation on the planet is feeling the pain from the U.S.'s current financial debacle, and third world nations will feel it even more so. When things get really really bad in some of these nations, they will attack their neighbors to take what they have. You think life sucks in some of these places now(Gaza), just wait until total chaos breaks out and Israel gets to use unrestrained force. You've got idiot leaders like Ahmadinijad who wouldn't mind making Iran a "Martyr Nation" when Israel nukes them. I wonder if he polled Iranians for their opinion on that topic.

After the great depression, we elected a Socialist minded leader "FDR" who spent oodles of taxpayer money trying to resurrect a badly damaged economy without much success. At the end of the day, it was WWII which brought the U.S. economy around and made us the financial superpower of the later half of the 20th century.

So getting back to your idiocy, be careful what you wish for.[edit]Worldwide economic collapse will make life worse for everyone else more so than the west and could lead to WWIII. A war that, in the end, after hundreds of thousands of lost lives, would end up being the real stimulus package the U.S. needs to get back on its financial feet. Is that really what you are wishing for?[/edit]

ignore this man, efsane - he's paid by the zionists and one of his primary roles in life is to be rude and unpleasant about people like obama, the entire non-right-wing world, and even John Lennon, I expect. Your best bet with him is to add him to your ignore list. I don't, just in case he bullies anyone, as he's doing now. But I seriously recommend someone as sensitive as you DO NOT READ HIS POST - it is not representative of anyone but the fading dying minority.

Trust me. Be positive and you can help those who help make the world a beautiful place. It is easy to do. BUt you MUST ignore chaps like CBWN, and his friend Feydakin, who actually has a relative who helps kill iraqis for a living! She gets paid to kill iraqis, or at least to assist those who kill them! Anyway. Trust me, if you post here you'll get hassled by these guys and if you talk back they'll probably get you warned or even banned. Zionists are very good at baiting people. Ignore his rude comments. He called you an idiot and I am reporting him to chris the moderator because I have been given a warning for calling someone else an idiot! actually i called HIM an idiot and i got a warning so i'm reporting his post. do NOT talk to him. he is only trying to make your day bad! and you DON'T deserve that at all.

i've reported him. hopefully he should get a warning now and won't call you an idiot again.

Regarding "reporting" me, let me make things clear for you. I am calling the spinning of a few hundred thousand jobs lost into 6 million jobs lost idiocy. That is my opinion, though I think most would at least call that a stretch.

Whether you choose to believe purveyors of idiocy are idiots is your own choice, but please don't say I called him an idiot. I've been accused of being a purveyor of idiocy on more than one occasion. Getting down to the brass tacks, on another thread I also accused your friend(are you sure he doesn't have the same IP as you do?) of "Peddling Crazy" for posting a 5 year old picture of a boy who threw rocks at Israeli border police as "Israel uses boy as human shield".

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

Be positive and you can help those who help make the world a beautiful place.

Were you referring to Habitat for Humanity, or the Peace Corps? I KNOW you couldn't possibly be referring to Hamas, Hezbollah, or Al Queda. THAT is exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about "peddling crazy".

EDIT: @WitnessTheDay: Nice Bump on your Boycott thread. Nobody else responds so you keep adding content to it. Why not just be honest about it and add /bump to the end of it?

There are currently approximately 305,740,366 people in the United States.. For the sake of making the numbers easy to use, and because the OP opened the door by including people of non working age (children) I will as well..

So, 305,740,000 people vs 18,000,000 "unemployed" we get an unemployment rate of just under 6%.. Seems fair enough to me..

But if we look at just working "age" people, including the ones that have never and will never work because they are too lazy and generational welfare people, the unemployment rate is 7.2% in December and "might" climb as high as 10% by the end of the year, but I seriously doubt it..

Now, for reference, the "great depression" hit unemployment rates of 25% or "more".. So a 10% unemployment rate, even a 12% rate, while not desireable is certainly not unheard of..

So much fear.. So much doubt.. All with nothing to back it up but more fear and doubt..

Huge rise in companies going bust
The number of firms going bust in England and Wales rises by 220% because of the recession, official figures show.

(The bbc loves to put crucial big stories up at weekend low-traffic hours, to help maintain the status quo which pays their salaries).

It's funny watching you neocon nutters calling me various names, from bleeding heart to crackhead. I'm making secure longterm profits, empowering my friends, choosing between fun and longterm security, getting high on life and its natural high-making events and feelings and places and things, listening to good music, teaching people how to build positively now that the goons are being shafted, a joint-smoking black man is president, Tony Blair has been sent to Israel and britain has a pro-pluralism P.M., my team is on the up, their team is all but buried, and they still call us names and throw things at us... we are forgiving - if you don't smash yourself up on the brick wall you are banging your head against, I promise we'll make a place for you in the new world. You won't be allowed your guns, and if you are homophobic, racist or chauvinistic we will put you in rehab, but apart from that, if you obey the rules, you'll get on fine!

The destruction of the greedy military industrial complex is leading to a status best metaphorically described as "the meek inheriting the earth".

Feydakin in your smelly little farmhouse where you're trying to hoard for that great tomorrow in which 10 million clones of you all hoard each in a smelly little farmhouse, cbrn and his wife down at hooters (WHO TAKES THEIR WIFE/GIRLFRIEND to a restaurant where the prominent gimmick is that waitresses have large breasts? The last time I took a woman to dinner it was in a beautiful restaurant overlooking the Seine and even though she was using me and being a really twisted immature evil lass, I did that for her, and took care to ensure the waiters treated her in a way that no doubt will remain a lasting memory for her (well, Americans don't get to see much European class, do they?). You take your wife to hooters? God dammit man, have you absolutely no shame. On behalf of the rights of malekind to not eventually just be locked in a dungeon by all women in order to teach us for allowing people like you to proliferate I beseech you to look inward at yourself and vomit at what you see as a result of seeing it for what it is!)

Look at you - your way has failed, neocons, right wing people, greed mongers, hoarders, people of the Mighty Dollar - the ones who worship physical gain and power... look at you. You have NOTHING now. You have no security. I've heard your jive talk for as long as I've had ears and all you EVER said, everyone like you, was that your way led to longterm security. Well - you were wrong. You have lost that. And I found, while you were busy lying to yourselves, that by being honest, and open and true and suffering the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune, and by accepting the cross on which you nailed me, I became secure for the longterm, I have the mansions you wanted, I have the world you tried to take over... it's all mine, because I went out and learned to GIVE not take, and the reason fate saw fit to give it to me is because I'm only going to carry on giving what I have not taking. My gains are natural - the world works by ensuring that people like me are the ones handing it out to people like you. Things always default, in the end, to what is most productive. The dinosaurs didn't make it to 2009, WE did. And that's how it'll always be. Things improve, move forwards, and develop. The man who wants to keep his knuckles at ground level, will never be the one to lead the way forwards in time.

Anyway. That's just my 6 million jobs (well jobs are a form of currency too).

...reminds me of the famous lyric: "six million ways to die: choose one"

You are truly an irony filled individual. In one sentence you refer to me as a neocon, and the next you spit out neocon gospel in reference to your "new world".

if you obey the rules, you'll get on fine!

A few sentences later you show indignance at something apparently offending your strong sense of morality.

WHO TAKES THEIR WIFE/GIRLFRIEND to a restaurant where the prominent gimmick is that waitresses have large breasts?

Are you sure YOU aren't the neocon looking to control the world with your religious fanaticism?

BTW, sorry to hear the girl you took out to dinner on the Seine didn't work out. Perhaps its just me but I've found women respond better when you don't fear them and/or idolize them. Treating women, or any other person, like friend usually results in like kind behavior. Maybe you'd of had better luck taking her to Hooters and let her work her way up to fine dining on the Seine....

I don't know what you wrote CBWM, since you are on my "ignore list" - but I am going to assume that you voiced your great joy at being reminded of that great rap lyric and replied by citing some other great rap lyric from the same era, like "I didn't even have to use my A.K." or something.

Big it up CBWM. I agree - there's not enough rap music on daytime tv. We need much more of it. Well done for pointing that out.

Your post just gave me the funniest image of something one of my children likes to do on occasion. You cover your ears with both hands and go, "LALALALALAL IM NOT LISTENING IM NOT LISTENING LALALALLALALA" when someone says something you would really rather not hear.

Its OK man. I'll back off. Suicide bombers are good. Launching rockets into a civilian population is a good thing. Western civilization is about to fall. The poor are soon to be made rich, and the rich poor. The bigots who run businesses will soon loose their businesses to the non-bigoted. All the injustice and suffering in the world will soon end if we all hold hands and sing kumbaya and really mean it. There really are 40 virgins waiting for you, (who wont shut you down after you buy them expensive dinner), so long as you kill a few westerners who stand for the capitalist system. Everything is as it should be. you can uncover your ears now.

My mom(now practically a card carrying communist) used to tell me that if you took all the money from every person in the planet, rich and poor alike, and redistributed it evenly to everyone, the same people who used to be rich would be rich again within a year, and the same people who used to be poor would poor again. Thats always stuck with me. Cynacism? or just a basic truth.

Originally Posted by cbwm

My mom(now practically a card carrying communist) used to tell me that if you took all the money from every person in the planet, rich and poor alike, and redistributed it evenly to everyone, the same people who used to be rich would be rich again within a year, and the same people who used to be poor would poor again. Thats always stuck with me. Cynacism? or just a basic truth.

Truth..

I'm going to imagine that what you have said, CBWM, is "To be quite honest, George," (I'm going to pretend you're eccentric and refer to me as George, thinking that I am your cousin, George W Bush) "I am a very big fan of Tupac Shakur and nobody was more perturbed by his premature death than I, and the video to California was surreal, bordering on visionary, and it made amazing use of the comedy skills of Chris Tucker".

Again, I agree CBWM. That was a good video. And Shakur was very talented.

For someone you claim to be ignoring, you sure to reply to him a lot..

Welcome to my ignore list..

Wow, I didn't spot Feydakin in there (I was watching the video to Nothing's gonna stop us now, and when I saw the security guard and his dog, they seemed like a similar duo to yourselves. Didn't see wee feydakin there at first)...

I shall imagine that you have just laughed the way mutley (assistant of Richard Dastatdly) would laugh.

you may think it harsh that i'm ignoring you, nullpointer does and told me off and gave me reputation negativity saying that i am encouraging others to ignore you too... but the truth is you two enter any thread about palestine or antiwar and simply attack vigorously with the usual right wing brute force and that scares away anyone who would have a dialogue with me - I don't mind because you guys can never ever cuss me more than i can cuss you - i even get warnings and bans and generally feared in the hood, that's how rude*** i can be! but most people just get scared off and dialogue is stifled, and that's exactly your aim

so i am encouraging anyone who WANTS dialogue with me over palestine, boycotts, antiwar, environment, etc... to ignore you so that they will not be afraid to speak

that is the reality. i hope np has the nobility to award me 4 points for making this very clear point here.


*** here's a highly relevant quote from a draft of a novel I wrote (the draft was never turned into a new version - the original edition turned out to be perfect the way it was)...

Yet with dog-guards patrolling the decks, he felt it safer to remain stowed away in the lifeboat, particularly for the benefit of his cat, of whom the dogs would take greater notice than he himself. The dogs patrolling the deck, moreover, were reputably fierce dogs, known in many lands for their ruthlessness. Snoop Dog, Nate Dog, who had dark coats, wore shades, had gold teeth and carried weapons which they didn’t even ever have to use because their jaws were so powerful, and also a light-coated dog called Slim Shady who couldn’t actually do any physical damage but who could verbally reduce his prey to a liquid and then gaseous state merely by saying extremely demeaning things to them. Their commanding officer, Dr Dre, was a podgy little dog who had a PhD in rudeness. He could assess any statement or action in the universe and accurately calculate what percentage of it was polite. BB King’s guardians were indeed mean muthas. But with a crew any less scary than that, they probably wouldn’t even have made it out of the sight of the people waving them off in the port, such was the treacherous nature of manning a vessel across the ocean of Time.

Good point Steve. I've got no issue with being on the "Ignore" list(still got to figure out how that works), but to respond to what he imagines may or may not have been said is just retarded. Spammers in any form just irritate.


A proper response seems like it would be:
a) You make a good point, I had not thought of that
b) You are wrong, killing civilians IS good and proper because.....
c) No response at all

An expected response would be:
a) Crying
b) Complaining
c) Projecting your issues on others(Racism?)
d) Neg TP

Spamming gibberish is childish, an abuse of the board, and worthy of one of the neg TP I just gave.

Edit: Did anyone notice Efsane 66 who created this thread has disappeared? Efsane, we hardly knew thee, tho a rose by any other name...

Huge rise in companies going bust
The number of firms going bust in England and Wales rises by 220% because of the
recession, official figures show.
(The bbc loves to put crucial big stories up at weekend low-traffic hours, to help maintain
the status quo which pays their salaries).

It's funny watching neocon nutters calling me various names, taking rep points etc, from bleeding heart to
crackhead. I'm making secure longterm profits, empowering my friends, choosing between
fun and longterm security, getting high on life and its natural high-making events and
feelings and places and things, listening to good music, teaching people how to build
positively now that the goons are being shafted, a joint-smoking black man is president,
Tony Blair has been sent to Israel and britain has a pro-pluralism P.M., my team is on the
up, their team is all but buried, and they still call us names and throw things at us... we
are forgiving - if you don't smash yourself up on the brick wall you are banging your head
against, I promise we'll make a place for you in the new world. You won't be allowed your
guns, and if you are homophobic, racist or chauvinistic we will put you in rehab, but apart
from that, if you obey the rules, you'll get on fine!


(NOTE to anyone starting to hinder me - if you treat me like rubbish ON THIS FORUM I'll just go away PERMANENTLY. Note also - wherever I go on the web, just asking people to help israeli-palestinian kids {nothing else, it's a short sweet boycott message} leads to being attacked by 100 CWBMs, Feydakins, Nullpointers, and graphicmagicbloke or whoever it was that warned me again and deleted this post when I posted it before!... this has made me 100,000 times more adamant to keep on... plus note, though this is not applying to THIS forum, since you haven't deleted my boycott thread - but i AM now, from this point, using all forums which delete my boycott post as resources for building my hacking tools!)

Luckily I print pdfs of my posts so when you delete stuff, I still have it.

I think you've completely misinterpreted the actions of members of this forum. I can only speak for myself, but I am in no way against you. I think you are entitled to speak your mind, but the consequences of that are you have to understand that others are entitled to speak their mind as well. If someone disagrees with you argue with them, don't call them names or insult them. In addition to this you need to understand that this fourm has rules and the moderators are in charge of enforcing those rules. Reposting something a moderator deleted is very disrespectful and won't accomplish anything.

Originally Posted by witnesstheday

i AM now, from this point, using all forums which delete my boycott post as resources for building my hacking tools!

Threatening to "hack" this forum also won't get you any credibility or respect (and least of all fear if that was what you were going for).

Once again, not a personal attack against you, I'm just an advocate of open mindedness and discussion.

Referring to the topic:

I constantly see headlines reading most jobs lost since [year between 1970 - 1980]. Hostly I'm not old enough to remember those periods but I know its far from being the depression. I havn't seen any indicators of something that won't subside within a few years, which has been the case in the past.

Personally I don't know anyone who has lost their job, but hopefully those that have will survive until the economy bounces back.

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Recession 'worst for 100 years'


Mr Balls said the economy would define politics for 10 to 15 years

The current global recession is "the most serious for over 100 years", cabinet minister Ed Balls has said.
Mr Balls, a former economic adviser to Gordon Brown, said it was "more extreme and more serious than that of the 1930s", the Yorkshire Post reported.
He told a Labour conference that these were "seismic events that are going to change the political landscape".
Shadow Treasury minister Phillip Hammond said the remarks were "staggering and very worrying".
Mr Balls, the schools secretary, made the comments at Labour's Yorkshire conference at the weekend, the newspaper reported.
The BBC's political editor Nick Robinson said Mr Balls and Downing Street have attempted to play down the significance of his remarks, insisting he had been pointing out the unique nature of the global financial crisis and was not predicting that the impact on ordinary people would be worse than that experienced during the Great Depression of the 1930s.

Ed Balls speaking at Labour's Yorkshire conference

According to the Yorkshire Post, he said: "The economy is going to define our politics in this region and in Britain in the next year, the next five years, the next 10 and even the next 15 years.
"These are seismic events that are going to change the political landscape.
"I think that this is a financial crisis more extreme and more serious than that of the 1930s and we all remember how the politics of that era were shaped by the economy."
Mr Balls, MP for Normanton, added: "We now are seeing the realities of globalisation, though at a speed, pace and ferocity which none of us have seen before.
"The reality is that this is becoming the most serious global recession for, I'm sure, over 100 years as it will turn out."
'Unprecedented'
For the Conservatives, shadow Treasury minister Phillip Hammond said: "This is a staggering and very worrying admission from a cabinet minister and Gordon Brown's closest ally in the Treasury over the past 10 years.
"We are being told that not only we are facing the worst recession in 100 years, but that it will last for over a decade - far longer than Treasury forecasts predict."
He added: "Is Ed Balls spilling the beans here and telling us that the government sees the situation as slightly more serious than they have tried to portray?"
Government ministers are oscillating between complacent optimism and this doom-laden picture of Armageddon


Vince Cable, Lib Dems



Nick Robinson's blog

Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable contrasted Mr Balls' assessment with comments from fellow minister Baroness Vadera, who recently said she could see "green shoots" of economic recovery.
He said: "Instead of giving clear and consistent leadership, government ministers are oscillating between complacent optimism and this doom-laden picture of Armageddon. Surely the truth lies between the two?"
A spokesman for Mr Balls insisted that the prime minister and Chancellor Alistair Darling had highlighted the "unprecedented speed and ferocity" of the crisis "time and time again".
He said: "The unprecedented global nature of this crisis and its impact on the global financial sector is affecting every single economy in the world.
"The Bank of England agrees with this analysis. As the deputy governor of the Bank of England, Charlie Bean, said in October: 'This is a once in a lifetime crisis, and possibly the largest financial crisis of its kind in human history."'
He added the minister had been referring in his speech to the differences between Labour and the Conservatives on the economy.
Last week, Mr Brown used the word "depression" during prime minister's questions, but his spokesman later said this had been a slip of the tongue.
The Conservatives urged him to clarify his comments and be careful with language.
The Commons Treasury Select Committee is due to question the bosses and former bosses of the UK's biggest banks on Tuesday and Wednesday over the causes of the financial crisis.

I'm sorry, but Nullpointer, Feydakin, CBWM - you are trying to say that black is white, that the moon is made of cheese, that goats spit beer, that hens lay cadbury's creme eggs.

The recession is very bad.

Oh wait, what was all this about "I don't know anyone who's lost their job..."

Job prospects in 2009 'alarming'


The CIPD says unemployment will top three million

UK companies are shedding jobs at an ever-growing rate, says the Chartered Institute of Personnel (CIPD).
Its research suggests more than one in three UK employers are planning to cut jobs in the first three months of 2009.
This is twice as many as planned to make cuts during the final three months of 2008.
"These latest... figures suggest that job prospects are deteriorating at an alarming rate," said CIPD's chief economist John Philpott.
Cutbacks
A total of 36% of employers surveyed plan to cut staff in the first quarter of 2009, compared with the 27% that plan to take on additional staff.
This is the first time that a higher proportion of employers plan to cut staff than hire them since the survey began in 2004.
"The labour market outlook is clearly even worse than expected at the turn of the year," added Mr Pilpott.
The research also found that employers will be cutting back on pay increases.
Average pay rises awarded by those firms who plan to increase wages will be 2.6%, compared with the 3.5% recorded last autumn.
And as many as one in eight employers do not intend to conduct pay reviews at all throughout 2009.
'Sadly inevitable'[
Mr Philpott added that official statistics out later this week will show that unemployment rose above two million at the end of 2008.
"It now seems sadly inevitable that UK unemployment will top three million before the jobs market finally starts to recover," he said.
Andrew Smith at KPMG said: "The speed of the deterioration in the labour market is breathtaking."
The Labour Market Outlook survey was conducted by the CIPD and consultancy firm KPMG among 892 UK employers.

(I had to retrieve my password for this - when I saw the first article I've posted I thought of you 3!)

I'm sorry, did you guys REALLY say that efsane's comments about job losses are idiotic?

Do you REALLY believe the recession is not existent?

Do you REALLY believe that saying there are massive job losses is part of some huge muslim terrorist conspiracy to eliminate hooters and israel?

By the way, I'm 5 times richer than when I last posted - because I have built 5 "tardises" - one for each of 5 different people - and I have 2 more to build before I started building extras for myself!