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Old 04-20-2008, 11:27 PM Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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Ok just looking at the post count its pretty clear that PHP is more popular with amateur coders (sorry to lump you professional guys who use it in with the rest of us), but why is it that you rarely see BIG companies with .php in there url? Why is ASP so much more common (as far as I can tell anyways) with big business?
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Old 04-21-2008, 05:30 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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I'm guessing it has to do with the abundance of resources that Microsoft gives companies as well as the maturity of the programming language.
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Old 04-21-2008, 05:34 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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There are at least two reasons:
1. Big company boss is technically dumb and does not suspect that buggy and unstable php is buggy and unstable not by itself but because of stoopeed lame developers.
2. Really big applications can be done much faster with asp because it has better object model, better development tools and can be very easily integrated with MSOffice applications and with Windoze in general. In other words, bigger applications can be developed faster and have wider functionality in asp rather than in php. It is sad but true, php cannot allow same scalability required for developing really large apps when hundreds of geographically separated coders work on different modules which then should be tied together.
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:24 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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Maybe its just because they're working with windows servers, instead of linux servers.
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:27 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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I am not a big company but I live on PHP. All of my websites use PHP for programming. It is just easier to work with in my opinion. And it has more capabilities.
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Old 04-21-2008, 02:35 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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mtishetsky said it: Scalability, modeling, development tools, and better OO design.

ASP isn't the only big one mind you, Java (JSP, Servlets, etc..) powers some of the largest web businesses out there as well.

For smaller organizations, running Windows is simply cost prohibitive in terms of licensing and the purchase of software alone. Java is wonderful, but still a bit stressful on older architecture so hardware costs may be prohibitive to small startups. Professional development on either of these platforms can also be cost-prohibitive. For any mid-to-large company hardware prices aren't an issue.

Not to say that PHP can't scale, it can, it just requires a well-designed plan and a fair amount of work. Maintenance, re-factoring, enhancements, etc.. are still more difficult in PHP (Perl too) than on a JSP or ASP platform.

IME, PHP became popular because it so closely resembles C. It's very easy for a beginner to get his/her feet wet. The (inevitable IMO given the popularity) problem (as previously stated) is that there are so many horribly designed scripts out there
that PHP is often looked down upon by people who live in ASP/JSP world.

Personally, I wouldn't switch to a Windows server platform if I were given unlimited free licensing. I'll take server-side Java over ASP any day of the week

PHP can take you pretty far though if your designs are solid with patterns chose properly, code is clean, well documented, and the like..

Another issue -- a lot of scripting languages will release major updates that may break programs that ran perfectly well before the update. Startups that intend to be working with a few million lines of code will likely avoid such situations at all cost.
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Old 04-21-2008, 03:58 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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hmmm, Interesting conversation, I would love to hear some more people weigh in.

For myself, a person who will never work professionally in the web development industry, do you think PHP is sufficient or would it be worth the time to switch over to asp or JSP (understanding that I am cheap and dont want to have to pay more than my monthly hosting costs).

Would I notice the difference or would it just be learning a new language for the sake of learning a new language.

Also, do you see the day when PHP might take over because of the large community base, or are PHP's days numbered.
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Old 04-21-2008, 04:06 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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Most "X language is better than Y" arguments are ridiculous. Mind you, I have no problem with someone criticizing a specific language, I've got plenty of gripes with PHP myself.

What it comes down to is choosing the best tool for the job. If the job is creating a simple form script, or a nicely featured forum app, then PHP seems like a fine choice. If you're creating a web application do be deployed across thousands of servers around the world interacting with hundreds of different databases, web services, etc.., maintained by hundreds of programmers, scalable to easily accommodate growth, then you might want to put some more thought into the platforms you choose.
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:46 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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Very nicely said addon, point taken.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:19 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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php is good, my website http://www.iitdreams.com is based on php
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Old 04-24-2008, 01:49 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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The reason you don't see the .php extension in certain websites is because they are using routing techniques, or .htaccess mod_rewrite. So the extension is a poor indicator of what programming language is being used.
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Old 04-24-2008, 02:52 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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They would actually route a php page to a asp page? For what reason?
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Old 04-24-2008, 05:03 PM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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They would actually route a php page to a asp page? For what reason?
No, they would rewrite the URL to a PHP file, but the url would not show it.
Though it would be possible to mask an PHP file as an ASP.
It would be possible to determine if it's a fake (based on the postBack session parameter, I think) but it would foul many peoples nonetheless.

...Aaaand be perfectly worthless. Why in the world would any of your users care if it's PHP or ASP that power the web site they are on !?
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Old 04-25-2008, 03:03 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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Old 04-25-2008, 03:34 AM Re: Why is everyone always hatin on PHP?
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