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Old 09-19-2010, 01:09 PM FAKE ID's
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Whats the score? i make killer ID's and want to sell them online, will branding them as novelty completely free me of legality issues? if so will i first have to make some changes to the cards? Thanks in advance.
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Old 09-19-2010, 01:24 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Consulting a lawyer would be safer than consulting a forum.
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Old 09-19-2010, 04:42 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Consulting a lawyer would be safer than consulting a forum.
Quite right, but in my circumstance a lawyer is not feasable, i'm just hoping to get an idea from anyone who might have one, a stab in the dark i admit
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Old 09-19-2010, 05:52 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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And what if some genius tells you;

"It's not a problem, go ahead"

and a month later you get sued as accessory to a criminal act, will legal advice still not "be feasible"?
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Old 09-19-2010, 05:54 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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And what if some genius tells you;

"It's not a problem, go ahead"

and a month later you get sued as accessory to a criminal act, will legal advice still not "be feasible"?
I can't tell whether or not your trying to be a **** on purpose, but i'll leave it at that thanks.
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Old 09-19-2010, 06:17 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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It's called being "Devils Advocate"

But of course, it is your livelyhood and your money at stake, so if do not wish to ensure you are protected legally, and a disclaimer on your site is NOT sufficient.
In fact, that can even be seen as a statement of culpability.
ie: You were aware of the risks or possibilities for misuse and failed to take the necessary steps to reduce or prevent it.
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Old 09-19-2010, 07:06 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Erring on the safe side, I'd say that copying state identification documents without explicit permission from the states, and then selling them online, will get you in a f*ckload of trouble. May even be a Federal offense.

My sincere advice to you... find a career that isn't against the law, and if you refuse to do so, at least keep innocent people out of it.

FYI, chris isn't the dick here... he's just trying to protect people from aiding you in your criminal activity... you're the dick for trying to drag the rest of us into it.

If I were chris, I'd ban you and delete this thread.... but I'm much more of a dick than he is.

Now kindly piss off.
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Old 09-19-2010, 08:23 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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This is grey area, but you should really know your legal rights on this. Else it can get really rough with the government.

Official documents are usually strictly forbidden to modify or alter in any way. In my country with fake ID's, they usually use widely accepted ID's that is not official (e.g. travellers ID, and so on) to not get in trouble.
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Old 09-19-2010, 11:45 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Go to jail ...do not pass go...do not collect $200......

Illegal activity online can lead to a visit from the FBI ...in the US...
Fake IDs....maybe Homeland Security....
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:18 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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As you will see below the penalty for selling false ID's is 5 to 30 years in prison and could be for each ID sold.

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE
PART I - CRIMES
CHAPTER 47 - FRAUD AND FALSE STATEMENTS
§ 1028. Fraud and related activity in connection with identification documents,
authentication features, and information

(a) Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (c) of this section—

(1) knowingly and without lawful authority produces an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document;

(2) knowingly transfers an identification document, authentication feature, or a false identification document knowing that such document or feature was stolen or produced without lawful authority;

(3) knowingly possesses with intent to use unlawfully or transfer unlawfully five or more identification documents (other than those issued lawfully for the use of the possessor), authentication features, or false identification documents;

(4) knowingly possesses an identification document (other than one issued lawfully for the use of the possessor), authentication feature, or a false identification document, with the intent such document or feature be used to defraud the United States;

(5) knowingly produces, transfers, or possesses a document-making implement or authentication feature with the intent such document-making implement or authentication feature will be used in the production of a false identification document or another document-making implement or authentication feature which will be so used;


(6) knowingly possesses an identification document or authentication feature that is or appears to be an identification document or authentication feature of the United States or a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance which is stolen or produced without lawful authority knowing that such document or feature was stolen or produced without
such authority;


(7) knowingly transfers, possesses, or uses, without lawful authority, a means of identification of another person with the intent to commit, or to aid or abet, or in connection with, any unlawful activity that constitutes a violation of Federal law, or that constitutes a felony under any applicable State or local law; or


(8) knowingly traffics in false or actual authentication features for use in false identification documents, document-making implements, or means of identification;
shall be punished as provided in subsection (b) of this section.

(b) The punishment for an offense under subsection (a) of this section is—

(1) except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 15 years, or both, if the offense is—

(A) the production or transfer of an identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document that is or appears to be—

(i) an identification document or authentication feature issued by or under the authority of the United States; or

(ii) a birth certificate, or a driver’s license or personal identification card;

(B) the production or transfer of more than five identification documents, authentication features, or false identification documents;

(C) an offense under paragraph (5) of such subsection; or

(D) an offense under paragraph (7) of such subsection that involves the transfer, possession, or use of 1 or more means of identification if, as a result of the offense, any individual committing the offense obtains anything of value aggregating $1,000 or more during any 1-year period;

(2) except as provided in paragraphs (3) and (4), a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 5 years, or both, if the offense is—

(A) any other production, transfer, or use of a means of identification, an identificationdocument,,

1 authentication feature, or a false identification document; or

(B) an offense under paragraph (3) or (7) of such subsection;

(3) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 20 years, or both, if the offense is committed—

(A) to facilitate a drug trafficking crime (as defined in section 929 (a)(2));

(B) in connection with a crime of violence (as defined in section 924 (c)(3)); or

(C) after a prior conviction under this section becomes final;

(4) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than 30 years, or both, if the offense is committed to facilitate an act of domestic terrorism (as defined under section 2331 (5) of this title) or an act of international terrorism (as defined in section 2331 (1) of this title);

(5) in the case of any offense under subsection (a), forfeiture to the United States of any personal property used or intended to be used to commit the offense; and

(6) a fine under this title or imprisonment for not more than one year, or both, in any other case.

(c) The circumstance referred to in subsection (a) of this section is that—

(1) the identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document is or appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States or a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance or the document-making implement is designed or suited for making such an identification document, authentication feature, or false identification document;


(2) the offense is an offense under subsection (a)(4) of this section; or

(3) either—

(A) the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section is in or affects interstate or foreign commerce, including the transfer of a document by electronic means; or
(B) the means of identification, identification document, false identification document, or document-making implement is transported in the mail in the course of the production, transfer, possession, or use prohibited by this section.

(d) In this section and section 1028A—

(1) the term “authentication feature” means any hologram, watermark, certification, symbol, code, image, sequence of numbers or letters, or other feature that either individually or in combination with another feature is used by the issuing authority on an identification document, document-making implement, or means of identification to determine if the document is counterfeit, altered, or otherwise falsified;


(2) the term “document-making implement” means any implement, impression, template, computer file, computer disc, electronic device, or computer hardware or software, that is specifically configured or primarily used for making an identification document, a false identification document, or another document-making implement;


(3) the term “identification document” means a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of
individuals;


(4) the term “false identification document” means a document of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purposes of identification of individuals that—

(A) is not issued by or under the authority of a governmental entity or was issued under the authority of a governmental entity but was subsequently altered for purposes of deceit; and

(B) appears to be issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, a political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated by the President as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, a political subdivision of a foreign government, or an international governmental or quasi-governmental organization;

(5) the term “false authentication feature” means an authentication feature that—

(A) is genuine in origin, but, without the authorization of the issuing authority, has been tampered with or altered for purposes of deceit;

(B) is genuine, but has been distributed, or is intended for distribution, without the
authorization of the issuing authority and not in connection with a lawfully made
identification document, document-making implement, or means of identification to which such authentication feature is intended to be affixed or embedded by the respective issuing authority; or
(C) appears to be genuine, but is not;

There is more but I ran out of room
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Old 09-21-2010, 02:49 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Ignore them oli, I think you'll be alright
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:03 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Ignore them oli, I think you'll be alright
Comforting... personally, I'd go with the advice in the post before yours, though...
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:12 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:40 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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^He who dares wins
Sure... but let's fill in the blanks:

He who dares to break the law in the open for all to see wins a free all-inclusive 20-year stay in a nearby prison, and a new daddy named Otis.
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Old 09-21-2010, 04:03 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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smosely, believe it or not there is a whole wide world outside of America, now taking a wild guess I,m going to say federal law is something he has nothing to fear from, another wild guess as I'm in a good mood is that he maybe in Harrogate, England, this is part of a small island off of the coast of Europe I believe, Europe is the big land mass to your right when you look at the big map thingy.

As for only fools and horses I have all the series and movies and Chris if you liked that you will like the trailer park boys, its a canadian series can get it from torrents, I don't watch much tv etc, but both of those series I have seen numerous times.
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:20 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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ThailandForum,

I'm well aware that there's a whole world outside the US, and in fact, I was just in England last week.

Believe it or not, all civilized nations have laws. Laws are those pesky rules that are designed to maintain order and reduce criminal activity. I did a little research on England's laws, but I'm no lawyer, so I didn't find anything productive on their laws.

However, given that a necessary part of maintaining order is knowing who is who, identification control is a huge deal in much of the developed world.

England, as far as I know, is even more conscious of this than the US. Having just been there, I know first hand that they even have people's identity imprinted into a microchip on credit cards (mine didn't work in many places because we lack that security measure in the US). And afaik, they even require identification for minors, which we don't in the US.

Also, repeating what I said in my first post, I'm "erring on the safe side". That means that I'm not going to advise someone to do something that I think may be illegal, even if I'm not sure that it is.

So believe it or not, my opinion isn't based on ignorance... just a conservative point of view on criminal activity.

Where does your opinion come from?
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Old 09-21-2010, 05:59 PM Re: FAKE ID's
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England has no id card carrying laws, we can drive a car and not have our license with us, infact most english people do not even have an id card, and no, the only id a minor has is their birth certificate I believe, this is something al Brits have and I have never heard of one carrying their birth certificate around with them, we also don't get carded at bars.
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PS, last time I went to the states I got finger printed, eye scanned, and had to have a biometric passport, we don't have none of that rubbish in Thailand, then again Thailand doesn't invade soveriegn nations and make enemies.
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then again Thailand doesn't invade soveriegn nations and make enemies.
Well that was an irrelevant addition to your opinion... puts it in perspective, though... you apparently believe that the United States and all of its inhabitants fit one specific profile (as evidenced by your unsolicited opinion of me in this thread).

Contrary to common opinion, Thailand's foreign policy and that of the United States have no bearing on who you or I are as individuals, what we know of the outside world, or what we each believe.

"Thailand" is an area of land where you live, defined by arbitrary lines on a map, culture, and language. The USA is the same for me. Assuming anything beyond that is unfair.
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