Borders appearing on hover-over flash movies

**capetek** · 04-27-2006, 10:52 AM

Hello,

I have a bit of problem and i just cant figure out why this is happening. I am designing a site for a client of mine, the client told me that there was borders around the flash when you hovers-over the flash movie. This does not appear on my screen or the other computer i have at my home so i had to look at it to make sure. There is definatley a border there on-hover. Does anyone know what would be causing this? Its strange there is nothing in the css telling it to do that and it is only on his and one other PC that it happens. Any help would be appreciated, i listed the links to where flash is below:

Code:

http://www.dlgresults.com/new/
http://www.dlgresults.com/new/clients/

**ghettobert** · 04-27-2006, 11:35 AM

The latest update of IE is causing this. It has something do to with better control over ActiveX elements by the end-user. I'm quite sure there's someone here who can describe it more detailed than me, and you could try your luck on google.

Anyways it's the browser software, it has nothing to do with your code.

**capetek** · 12:26 PM

Hey yeah thats it! thanks for replying i would've never figured that one out. I actually found a fix for this problem on another site after googling what you mentioned. Its really a shame, this little stunt microsoft pulled is making allot of extra work for designers. Now we have to go back and fix all our flash sites!
anyways the link is below thanks!

more information about this problem
http://www.robertnyman.com/2006/04/0...ernet-explorer

Fix:
http://www.amarasoftware.com/flash-problem.htm

**Minaki** · 04-28-2006, 05:36 AM

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Its really a shame, this little stunt microsoft pulled is making allot of extra work for designers.

Don't blame Microsoft. It's a patent issue with someone else.

I think it's a good thing, you can prevent annoying flash applets from doing anything by not clicking on them

**carterdea** · 04-30-2006, 07:19 PM

Well, MS does a whole lotta of other S*** that we can and should blame them for.
ie. IE. Nuff said.

**Minaki** · 05-03-2006, 12:56 PM

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Well, MS does a whole lotta of other S*** that we can and should blame them for.
ie. IE. Nuff said.

If you don't like Microsoft's products, dob't use them

Nobody's forcing you to.

**carterdea** · 05-03-2006, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Minaki

If you don't like Microsoft's products, dob't use them

Nobody's forcing you to.

Yes I don't like them, but it still affects me. I absolutely HATE ie.

Why can't windows just ship with Firefox? It really should.
Oh well. Life's not perfect.

**jyoz22** · 05-03-2006, 07:18 PM

I actually like it on somethings like the annoying flash ads, and other stuff. But it can get annoying if you are trying to navigate a Flash menu.

**capetek** · 05-03-2006, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Minaki

If you don't like Microsoft's products, dob't use them

Nobody's forcing you to.

Actually its just that, we are being forced to conform to microsofts patch. If you are a web designer then you have to go back and edit all your websites to add this little javascript patch. My phone has been ringing off the hook lately because of this problem. So yeah I would say we are being forced to

**Minaki** · 05-04-2006, 05:02 AM

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Yes I don't like them, but it still affects me. I absolutely HATE ie.

Why can't windows just ship with Firefox? It really should.

Because some people (me for one) prefer IE over Firefox. I've been in web development for nearly 6 years and have never had a single issue with IE. Personally, I just don't see what all the fuss is about.

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Actually its just that, we are being forced to conform to microsofts patch.

Actually it's your customer's choice to use IE that brings your need to conform to the patch. And if you want to satisfy your customers, then you need to be able to design for all browsers without blaming someone else.
"A bad workman blames his tools"
I'm not sure about this particular issue (it doesn't affect me, I don't touch flash with a 20 foot pole), but it seems like it was put there for a good reason.

**capetek** · 05-04-2006, 09:20 AM

Do you not understand the issue? this is a new problem that just started for IE so it has nothing to do with designing for all browsers or "bad workman tools". So maybe you should read up on this "particular issue" before badgering other people. This topic was not started to see if Minaki uses flash in her designs or uses IE, it was started to bring to light the new problem with flash in Internet explorer. have a great day and remember not everyone is out there designing basic static html pages.

**Minaki** · 05-04-2006, 10:35 AM

Woah woah!!

!!

I was simply saying that it's unfair to blame the browser manufacturer for something that has clearly been imposed on them. I do fully understand this particular issue and IMO, Microsoft are in no way to blame. They're simply choosing not to pay for a new licence on top of the $521,000,000 they've already had to fork out in this case.

Browser Bashing will not make you a better designer. Lets keep this constructive.

**capetek** · 05-04-2006, 10:41 AM

Thats a 180 if I've ever seen one lol

**carterdea** · 05-04-2006, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Minaki

Browser Bashing will not make you a better designer.

If browser bashing will get M$ to make IE web standards compliant, like Safari, Firefox, Camino, Opera etc, than I will browser bash to no end.

**Minaki** · 05-05-2006, 05:25 AM

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If browser bashing will get M$ to make IE web standards compliant, like Safari, Firefox, Camino, Opera etc, than I will browser bash to no end.

No browser is standards compliant. If you actually read the standards themselves, some of them are too vaguely written to conform to. Every browser has issues, and it's our job as web developers to deal with them. IE7 is far more standards compliant than IE6, which is far more compliant than IE5 etc. But there are still a substantial number of people still using IE5 and it'll take years before IE6 is completely dropped. Therefore, browser bashing is useless - even if it did mean that IE8 will be 100% standards compliant - it's not going to make your life any easier for at least the next decade. And with mobile technology coming further and further into the mainstream, this throws yet more spanners in the works.
Good developers aren't hindered by browser differences - there's millions of sites out there that look fine on every browser.

**ibbo** · 05-05-2006, 11:53 AM

Didnt bills boys start the web standars thing off and then go and do something totaly different?

Still it dont realy effect me, 90% of my users are on IE and this sadly is not through choice its through good marketing of Windows and packaging IE with its releases.

Folks people tried to stop MS shipping it out with its OS but the action failed so live with it.

At days end Flash is not good web content (WHAT i hear you say!!!), a lot of browsers dont come with flash suppot and as you have seen it plays hell with the DOM and attemnpting to style its anoyances away will lead to a wasted day.

Still though you should be able to put css together that cross browser friendly. The more css you have the more things can go wrong between browsers.

Ibbo

**capetek** · 05-05-2006, 12:01 PM

I agree with you ibbo, I was never a big fan of flash its sometimes neccessary to use it unless you can get AJAX to do the same animation (which is coming increasingly easier every day) But check this out, heres a great reason to use flash. XHTML Rich fonts that show up in the source and are crawable by bots. I'm starting to use some of this technology in my designs. its a bit of jscript/flash combo.

http://worcesterwideweb.com/work/test/