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Old 04-12-2008, 05:25 AM Meta Tag trouble
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So, I am using something about 1,000times less eager than Dreamweaver to create my own websites.

This program is called SiteSpinner V2.0

Basically, it wont allow me to hand-edit the HTML and insert the necessary Meta Tag I would like to insert into the structure itself.

So, I was wondering if there was a way for me to still keep my site the way it is (as far as design is concerned) but still insert the Meta Tag itself, outside of the utilization of my site creator?

trouble-shootin' here.
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:01 AM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Sure, open the html file in Notepad or some other text-editor, and insert your tag.
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:30 AM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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You can open your .html file in Notepad (by right clicking the file and selecting Open With... > Notepad. Once you have it open, you'll see a lot of code that could possibly mean nothing to you, depending on your knowledge of HTML. If this is the case, Control F (Find) the "</head>" tag and insert the meta tag code directly BEFORE this.

If you need help creating Metatags, go ahead here. http://www.ineedhits.com/free-tools/free-metatags.aspx

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Old 04-12-2008, 02:57 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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SiteSpinner, eh? Where can I get a copy of this? I hate worrying about all that HTML stuff. It is too fancy for me. I just need something to do all the hard work for me. I'm sure all that "code stuff" doesn't matter much anyway...
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Old 04-12-2008, 05:47 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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SiteSpinner, eh? Where can I get a copy of this? I hate worrying about all that HTML stuff. It is too fancy for me. I just need something to do all the hard work for me. I'm sure all that "code stuff" doesn't matter much anyway...
Looks like you can get it here: http://www.virtualmechanics.com/products/spinner/ . I would also look into Dreamweaver (preferred) or FrontPage.

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Old 04-12-2008, 08:12 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Looks like you can get it here:
Gee whiz... thanks
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:29 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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LadynRed,

Thank you Very Much for your helpful advice

I'd give you some more talkupation for that, but you already seem to own the board so..., lol


But I have another question:

Once you put the Meta Tags in the page, and re-publish your site; is there anything special you have to do to get Google to pick up on the changes you've just made? or, is it just a period of time until Google recognizes the changes you have made to your project? (in this case, Meta Tags)
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Old 04-12-2008, 10:39 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Lashtal Google will come back and spider your page on it's own. As long as there are links pointing to the page that Google can crawl (including internal links from your site) they will find the changes.

How soon depends on a number of factors. I'm generalizing, but the more links you have pointing to your site in general and the page in particular the more often Google will probably crawl. The point is they will come back and crawl.

However your meta tags aren't going to have much or any impact on where the page ranks. The meta keyword tag has been spammed so often that search engines don't really pay any attention to it. The meta description tag is useful, but less for ranking and more because when it does show as the snippet below your link in search results it can help convince people to click on your link.

Many SEOs don't bother with the meta keyword tag anymore. I personally don't think they're worth the time it takes to write them and I think it's worth even less time to change them or think about them.

The meta description is worth paying attention to, but again less for ranking purposes and more for improving the click through on your link in search results.
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Old 04-12-2008, 11:34 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Huh.

That post is interesting.

Because I thought that the Meta Tag Name/Keywords was what influenced What People Get when they enter Certain Words into the search feature.

For instance: if my Meta Tag description said something like "Myspace Layouts, Graphics, Comments, Codes" etc.

Then someone who entered "Myspace Layouts" would receive my listing on whatever page (page 1 or 25), versus receive a listing that said, "Mike's Auto Parts".

See what im saying?


I must be wrong, or

I must have read your post wrong?
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Old 04-13-2008, 12:20 AM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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What you're saying was the original idea behind meta keywords. The problem is people abused them and stuffed keywords in them until they were impossible to trust. Porn sites used to add the word Disney for example.

In an ideal world if everyone only used meta keywords to honestly describe what a page was about it might have worked, but people didn't always honestly describe what their page was about.

Here's a good post about the meta keyword tag which will give you some history about the tag and their current usefulness or lack of usefulness. You can see in the post that neither Google nor MSN pay any attention and while Yahoo and Ask both did make use of the tag neither places much importance on it.

At best if you're phrases has little to no competition they could help, but using the phrase once or twice in your page copy or your page title is going to far outweigh their use in the meta keywords tag.

One way you might benefit with the meta keyword tag is to use common misspellings. For example with "MySpace Layouts" lets say you discovered that a good number of people misspelled the word 'layouts' as 'layots' For some reason pretend a lot of people forget to type the 'u' In that case you might want to use 'myspace layot' in your meta keyword tag since you wouldn't want to misspell it on your page. It probably wouldn't have much competition so maybe having it as a meta keyword helps a little.

Search engines have to look to other parts of the page to better decide what a page is about. They do place a lot of emphasis on your page title. Your title is probably the most important words you'll write on your page from the perspective of a search engine. It's pretty important for people too.

Today search engines tend to place more emphasis on what's said about you off your site than they do with what you say about yourself on your site. You still want to optimize your page, but search engines place much more emphasis on link data now. That could always change in the future, but that's the current situation.

When I write a page I will try to get one or two phrases into the page title. I still want to make the page read well to real people.

I'm having trouble accessing the site in your sig right now, but I'm guessing you offer free myspace layouts. You might use a title on your home page like

Free MySpace Codes and Layouts

Short and simple. Other pages might be more specific and you might add calls to action to the title.

I'll also add keyword phrases to page headings where appropriate and generally use them throughout the page. I don't try to stuff them in there though, I just use the words where it makes sense to use them in the copy. Most of the time if you write a page about something you're naturally going to use the words. Writing naturally also has the advantage of picking up search traffic for a wider variety of phrases than you might have intended.

Search engines likely place a little extra emphasis on words that appear inside semantic html like <strong> and <em>. You never want to overdo it though. Always write your copy for the people who are going to read it.
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Old 04-13-2008, 11:31 AM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Outstanding post. Thank you.
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Old 04-13-2008, 03:46 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:02 PM Re: Meta Tag trouble
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Looks like you can get it here: http://www.virtualmechanics.com/products/spinner/ . I would also look into Dreamweaver (preferred) or FrontPage.

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