Heh.....

The funny thing about that point is.......
This whole forum is called Webmaster-Talk, where Webmasters come to share, discuss ideas, and seek help.

Funny that...and what's a CIW? A Certified Internet....what? I do prefer Certified Web Designer, though. But wait, what about Lord of Code?

Splash pages....ecch. Nothing will make me back out of a site more quickly; I'm sure I'm not alone in that sentiment.

LOL

I'm surprised at the fervor this generated.

However, I'm not very surprised with the reactions. It's funny, the experienced pros on the board tend to agree with the article.
The others *cough*, um *cough*, yea, you know...

I put this one here because I thought you guys would get a kick out of it. I'm usually seeing similar types of things for programmers. I have to interview so many of them, and it's so sad...

The thing to keep in mind, most of those things aren't really disqualifiers. It's that sooooo many of the bad people say those lines. So, if you do that, then you become connected to the rest.
The professionals, speak differently and act differently. The pros can explain things in detail without resorting to sleazy marketing speak. Pros are specific (graphic designer, administrator, programmer) joes are general and broad (webmaster).

If you like the text editor in front page, great. But, you have to remember, if you say frontpage to anybody who knows anything, their first thought is "drag-and-drop designer". Maybe it's not fair but, it is reality. Besides, there are a lot of better text editors out there than FrontPage. I highly recommend vim or emacs.

FrontPage in the web is like VB in the programming world. It's just not going to get any respect. Why? Look up the acronym for BASIC and see what the B stands for. That's why.

When you try to get links on the bottom of a customer's page, they are going to think, "why are you so bad, you need me to advertise for you?" Maybe not fair but, the impression is amateur.

I think the outmodedness of the word webmaster has been covered well enough in this thread.

I know some of this is hard to take, especially guys who are self taught using old web pages and out of date books. Heck, I learned HTML form the webmonkey back in the mid-90's; I moved on a long time ago. Perceptions stereotypes and prejudices abound. This is our reality, get used to it, get up to speed, and try to keep up.

Originally Posted by LadynRed

"Webmaster" -- anyone who throws out a 3-page site with FrontPage is now calling him/herself a 'webmaster'. That doesn't mean ANYTHING any more. It's become a catch-all term used by everybody, whether they've actually MASTERED any technologies or languages (including HTML) or not. If anybody asks me what I do.. I do not tell them I'm a 'webmaster' (or web mistress if you prefer). I'm a web DESIGNER, and a web server ADMINISTRATOR. Marketing and human resource departments have latched onto the word - that doesn't make it meaningful - it means they are CLUELESS as to what the jobs really are.

Aw c'mon...be a web MISTRESS. It's CSSexy.

Seriously, if anyone asks me what I do, I don't even have a defined title any more because of the large number of things I do for my various clients. I just answer them with three words: "geek at large".

Whenever someone's done snorting coffee out their nose (and usually onto my shirt) and asks me what it means, I tell them, "it means I do web design, web development, server maintenance, promotion, IT, brochure design, poster design, and about 20 other tasks depending on where I'm needed at the time." And for those who think I do this because I have a hard time finding clients, that's far from the case...it's just that, in the GTA, there's a big gap between small businesses adopting technologies and those who can adequately fit those needs. And if I can help...I do.

Then the managers have been badly appointed. Which is a failing of the organisation, not necessarily the individuals.

I'll agree with that; there is a systemic hiring failure among those who ultimately are in charge of the chain and its respective franchises. However, it still doesn't get my cheeseburger made properly. I don't ask much of people, but little things like cheeseburgers with cheese in them...y'know...I'm picky about. Call it a character flaw.

Originally Posted by ADAM Web Design

It's CSSexy

LMAO, you just made me blow coffee out my nose

While we're at it, the term, "World-Wide Web" is a seriously outdated term. So maybe the W3C should simply call themselves "The Consortium."

Can you see it? I have lost my way, I must go to the Consortium to consult the Lords of Code.....

Yeah, that's all that group needs...an even more meaningless title to go along with their increasingly obtuse drivel. Someone seriously needs to teach those people how to speak English.

Yep, but it's a title they're already using, just shortened. I'd still rather wade through their drivel than Microsquish's.

Hmmm....techheads....English. Techheads....English. I'm sorry, but I'm just not making the connection.

Aw c'mon...be a web MISTRESS. It's CSSexy.

Now I'm a web GODDESS

Originally Posted by willcode4beer

However, I'm not very surprised with the reactions. It's funny, the experienced pros on the board tend to agree with the article.
The others *cough*, um *cough*, yea, you know...

I guess I'm about to paint myself into the beginner category. Frontpage bothers me much less than a lot of the people in this thread. The article says not to bore the client with html, because a professional mechanic can fix your car with a banana as long as it works.

On that note, Diane could write better code using fp than I could in Notepad. Not that I'd subject myself to Frontpage, but if someone else can make it work ... so that their pages don't suffer from all the things that make us groan when we hear fp, more power to them.

Originally Posted by davemies

i disagree with this
He Wants a "Designed By ...." Plug on the Bottom of Every Page"
as long as it's subtle, of course the designer's name should be there - it's your business too and if you don't advertise yourself there how are people going to know who did it of they want to hire you?

Well ... it's the customer's business. If you're being paid with money, then you and the client are even. If you're working "for free," or at a discount, it should be easier to justify being paid in advertising.

Good one. Thanks for posting.

Originally Posted by willcode4beer

However, I'm not very surprised with the reactions. It's funny, the experienced pros on the board tend to agree with the article.
The others *cough*, um *cough*, yea, you know...

LOL. Sorry but given the article's location, the number of and quality of responses on the site, the quality of articles and the website itself and the quality and number of responses here, I just can't help but LOL.

DZone is one of the premier news sites for software developers.
If the responses are lower, it's because the audience is more development oriented than web-only.
Both sites tend to have pretty good articles.

Of course if you like lies and statistics ;-) here are some:
http://www.seomoz.org/page-strength/dzone.com
http://www.seomoz.org/page-strength/webmaster-talk.com

Some of those are true, however not all are true for every designer..

I pretty much agree with the article except as below.

I get the point about webmaster, but I don't really have a problem with the term. I think it's become an accepted term over the years for people who work on websites. But yeah, I do get the point about the word master.

As far as the designed by credit goes there's nothing tacky about it. It's no different than a company putting their logo on the clothes you buy or a the hood ornament on a car. It's just basic marketing. Take a look at your computer. Unless you built it yourself I can guarantee the company who made is has put their name, logo or both on it somewhere. And if you did build it yourself it wouldn't surprise me if each part you used also carries some kind of company branding. Marketing 101.

I always have and always will ask clients if it's ok to leave a credit on their site. I'll never force one on them, but if they have no problem with it I'm going to add it. I've even had customers insist I add one before asking them.

How often do people really call a site owner to ask who designed it? Some might, most never will. People do click those designed by credits, though. My stats can back me up. Some of those people who click also end up as your next client. My bank account will back that up.