Who are you voting for?

**dbzguy** · 11:14 PM

2004 elections! coming soon! now i like bush... i mean we ARE in war... we know Bush won kill us... Kerry... WE DONT... he could start WW3 like nuke Iraq also hit another nation start another war get Russia involved an slowly the whole world gets blown up or melted 30 sq miles at a time. so i dont wanna take my chances... + bush didnt reallyhave a choice to goto war... DID PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT GOING TO WAR AFTER PEARL HARBOR? NO!!! so whats the difference? a bunch of goobers try to kill us all and we defend ourselves... IF WE DONT WE ALL DO DIE!!! im so positive arent i?

ok, well i wana see just from a small poll if you stick with bush or like him... if your gonna take your chances with the Johns or your just stupid and you think bush is an idiot and everything is his fault... or if your gonna waist your vote on an independent who will never in anyway... NOW ENOGUH ABOUT MY OPINION I WANNA HEAR YOURS

**Bicstar** · 07-13-2004, 12:30 AM

how old are you?

**WaHoOoO!** · 07-13-2004, 02:17 AM

I second the motion. Please answer this question.

Also: Neither. Neither is communist, therefore I will not vote (even if I could). Also, I hate our corrupt politics.

**Kyrnt** · 07-13-2004, 02:27 AM

This thread should be fun.... an open exchange of ideas is never a bad thing.

I only hope we can keep it civil and avoid flame wars.

**dbzguy** · 07-13-2004, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bicstar

how old are you?

dont worry about that, lets just say i can vote...

**ethan** · 07-13-2004, 04:22 PM

Definetely not Bush. If he's re-elected i will leave the country. Hopefully with most of the country, lol...

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Also, I hate our corrupt politics.

agree

Oh, whats the voting age in the Arctic? And dont say "cold".

**WaHoOoO!** · 07-13-2004, 06:18 PM

I'm gonna go with 4, because pengiuns don't live as long as we do.

**Republikin** · 07-13-2004, 06:37 PM

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Definetely not Bush. If he's re-elected i will leave the country. Hopefully with most of the country, lol...

By all means, do.

**dbzguy** · 07-13-2004, 08:56 PM

well see it this way...

we know Bush wont blow us up...

we dont know what Kerry will do...

or you can move to france with those cool looking flavorfull berries...

**Republikin** · 07-13-2004, 09:01 PM

Just look at the way democrats are trying to take back power? They have no moral bearings or sense of true direction. Oh and take back power is the optimal way to put it. Thats all they care about, not putting forth a candidate that will deal with the issues of the time in an adult fashion but the one who has the highest ratings in the polls.

Thats what I love about Bush, he is not only a good politician but an honest person who will stand up for what he believes in whether he turns out right or wrong. As least he doesn't just do the popular thing according to the polls.

**ethan** · 07-13-2004, 09:14 PM

man. I don't see how Bush is a good anything, he just comes off as a complete moron. He doesn't seem like he knows anything himself. Doesnt seem like he knows what the f he's doing; doesn't seem like a President. He could be any idiot.

Did you see Fahrenheit 9/11? Im not basing all i say from that of course, but it definetely showed us something. He's just a regular idiot, who is rich. Doesn't instill any confidence in people who aren't rich...

=my opinion

**Christopher** · 07-13-2004, 09:36 PM

Well if you've watched F9/11 and your "not basing" your opinoin on the content of the movie, then you know to basically disregard every single thing Moore stated

**Republikin** · 07-13-2004, 09:37 PM

I bet you money that I could take a few pictures of you and make you seem like you have a mental defect, especially if I take them from your childhood album. Now if that were video imagine how much easier it would be.

No I did not see it as most of what he presents has been regurgitated by every liberal in this country. I will not place money in the pocket of someone who tells people that america is the enemy.

I think John Hawkins sums up the liberal in this compelling guide for right wing conservatives to understand the liberals views on foreign policy and defending America...

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Most conservatives are absolutely baffled by the liberal perspective on foreign policy and defending America. That's because many of the left's positions seem totally counterintuitive....well, for Americans. Their views would make perfect sense if say an Iranian mullah or Iraqi insurgent held them. But, that's neither here nor there, since the goal of this column is to explain how the left looks at foreign policy, not why.

So, imagine yourself to be a liberal. I know that'll be quite difficult for many of you, but just pretend you're wearing a tie-dye shirt and Birkenstocks, chant "no blood for oil" a few times, and then try to muster up some sympathy for the endangered Howling Dung Beetle and that should put you in the right frame of mind.

Now that you're thinking like a liberal, like a Michael Moore or Ted Kennedy, perhaps it'll be easier to understand why you...

...think that fighting back against terrorism is futile because it creates a cycle of violence. So you see killing terrorists only produces more terrorists? Just as killing Nazis in WW2 only produced more Nazis & bombing Hiroshima led to huge upsurges in Japanese recruiting.

...claim to favor deterrence to intimidate our enemies into leaving us alone...until we're attacked, at which point you counsel not responding.

...simultaneously believe Iraq was a "war for oil" and blame George Bush personally for higher gas prices.

...claim that we're acting "unilaterally" in Iraq despite the fact that there are currently more than 30 nations with men on the ground supporting us there.

...blame “neocons” for somehow manipulating the country into war in Iraq for shadowy and sinister purposes despite the fact you’re not even sure exactly what a neocon is.

...think it's vitally important that we not only put our self-interest aside, but make great sacrifices, to gain the approval of nations like France, Russia, China, & Germany, that history has shown are going to nakedly pursue their own self-interest no matter what we do.

...believe that before 9/11, Bush should have started jailing suspicious characters, closed America's airports, and warned all Americans of impending doom based on the flimsiest of non-specific information. But now, after we've been hit by terrorists and have much better intelligence, you laugh at the color coded alert system and consider it to be nothing more than a political ploy designed to perk up Bush's poll ratings.

...say that only the United Nations can legitimize a military venture...well unless a Democrat is in office, in which case it's fine to bypass the UN whenever it's convenient like Bill Clinton did when we bombed Kosovo.

...are willing to do whatever it takes to defend the American public from terrorists...as long as the French and Germans say its OK.

...believe 9/11 was just a handy dandy excuse to get rid of the Taliban so we could run a vulnerable, fragile, oil pipeline that Unocal gave up on back in 1998 through a country teeming with warlords, jihadis, & Taliban dead-enders.

...incessantly trash patriotic Christians as dangerous extremists, but cry "bigotry" whenever someone criticizes radical Islamists who support terrorism and hate America.

...support spending tax dollars hand over fist on everything from free needle exchanges for addicts to water stations in the middle of the desert for illegal aliens, but become a fiscal conservative when anyone starts talking about funding the military, our intelligence services, or missile defense.

...only cared about the fate the Iraqi people when Bush was talking about going to war. When Saddam was torturing them you had nothing to say and now that they're relying on our help to build a democracy, you believe we should pull out and leave to their fate. But of course, if we pulled out and things fell apart, you'd then again care about the Iraqi people...at least until the November elections.

...look at the Middle-East and think the primary problem there is Israel, a successful, pro-American democracy, not all of the corrupt, terrorist supporting dictators and fascists who hate America, oppress their own people, and want to drive the Israelis into the sea.

...spent the eighties claiming Reagan’s attempt to bring down the Soviet Union was futile and that it could never work, only to spend every day since the Berlin Wall fell saying that you knew all along that the Soviet Union was about to collapse and Reagan had nothing to do with it.

Congratulations! You now understand how the left looks at foreign policy and defending America. So, if you ever get caught in the middle of a peace rally or the Democratic National Convention, hopefully you'll be able to bluff your way out without getting called a fascist or having a "no blood for oil" sign shoved in your face!

And some choice quotes from the Democrats leading mouthpiece...

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"If someone did this [9/11] to get back at Bush, then they did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New York, D.C., and the planes' destination of California -- these were places that voted AGAINST Bush!" -- Michael Moore On 9/12/2001

"There is no terrorist threat in this country. This is a lie. This is the biggest lie we've been told." -- Michael Moore, October 2003

"In terms of marketing (Fahrenheit 9/11), Front Row is getting a boost from organisations related to Hezbollah which have rung up from Lebanon to ask if there is anything they can do to support the film. And although Chacra says he and his company feel strongly that Fahrenheit is not anti-American, but anti-Bush, 'we can’t go against these organisations as they could strongly boycott the film in Lebanon and Syria.'"

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win."

"I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end."

"Unfortunately, Bush and Co. are not through yet. This invasion and conquest will encourage them to do it again elsewhere. The real purpose of this war was to say to the rest of the world, "Don't Mess with Texas - If You Got What We Want, We're Coming to Get It!"

"I would like to apologize for referring to George W. Bush as a 'deserter.' What I meant to say is that George W. Bush is a deserter, an election thief, a drunk driver, a WMD liar, and a functional illiterate. And he poops his pants"

"(Americans) are possibly the dumbest people on the planet ... in thrall to conniving, thieving, smug pr*cks. We Americans suffer from an enforced ignorance. We don’t know about anything that’s happening outside our country. Our stupidity is embarrassing.”

"DO YOU FEEL like you live in a nation of idiots? I used to console myself about the state of stupidity in this country by repeating this to myself: Even if there are two hundred million stone-cold idiots in this country, that leaves at least eighty million who will get what I'm saying..." -- P. 85 of "Stupid White Men"

"(T)he dumbest Brit here is smarter than the smartest American". -- Michael Moore At London’s Roundhouse Theater

"On his North American tour in support of Dude, Where’s My Country, Moore substituted Canadians for Britons, telling audiences that the “dumbest Canadian” in attendance could surely outwit 'the smartest American.'" -- Moorewatch

"Should such an ignorant people (Americans) lead the world?" -- Michael Moore in an open letter to the people of Germany

"There's a gullible side to the American people. They can be easily misled. Religion is the best device used to mislead them."

"I like America to some extent." -- Michael Moore's response after being asked "You do not seem to like the U.S., do you?"

"Moore wrote he'd once been "forced" to listen to my comments on a TV chat show, The McLaughlin Group. I had whined "on and on about the sorry state of American education," Moore said, and wound up by bellowing: "These kids don't even know what The Iliad and The Odyssey are!" Moore's interest was piqued, so the next day he said he called me. "Fred," he quoted himself as saying, "tell me what The Iliad and The Odyssey are." I started "hemming and hawing," Moore wrote. And then I said, according to Moore: "Well, they're . . . uh . . . you know . . . uh . . . okay, fine, you got me--I don't know what they're about. Happy now?" He'd smoked me out as a fraud, or maybe worse. The only problem is none of this is true. It never happened. Moore is a liar. He made it up. It's a fabrication on two levels. One, I've never met Moore or even talked to him on the phone. And, two, I read both The Iliad and The Odyssey in my first year at the University of Virginia. Just for the record, I'd learned what they were about even before college." -- Fred Barnes

"You know in my town the small businesses that everyone wanted to protect? They were the people that supported all the right-wing groups. They were the Republicans in the town, they were in the Kiwanas, the Chamber of Commerce - people that kept the town all white. The small hardware salesman, the small clothing store salespersons, Jesse the Barber who signed his name three different times on three different petitions to recall me from the school board. F*ck all these small businesses - f*ck 'em all! Bring in the chains. The small businesspeople are the rednecks that run the town and suppress the people. F*ck 'em all. That's how I feel."

"White people scare the crap out of me. … I have never been attacked by a black person, never been evicted by a black person, never had my security deposit ripped off by a black landlord, never had a black landlord … never been pulled over by a black cop, never been sold a lemon by a black car salesman, never seen a black car salesman, never had a black person deny me a bank loan, never had a black person bury my movie, and I've never heard a black person say, 'We're going to eliminate ten thousand jobs here - have a nice day!'"

"It was when Moore went into a rant about how the passengers on the planes on 11 September were scaredy-cats because they were mostly white. If the passengers had included black men, he claimed, those killers, with their puny bodies and unimpressive small knives, would have been crushed by the dudes, who as we all know take no disrespect from anybody." -- From an article by Yasmin Alibhai-Brown describing a Michael Moore show in London

"Since September 11, the Bush Administration has used that tragic event as a justification to rip up our constitution and our civil liberties. And I honestly believe that [with] one or two September 11s martial law will be declared in our country and we're inching towards a police state."

"The Patriot Act is the first step. "Mein Kampf" -- "Mein Kampf" was written long before Hitler came to power. And if the people of Germany had done something early on to stop these early signs, when the right-wing, when the extremists such as yourself (Bob Novak), decide that this is the way to go, if people don't speak up against this, you end up with something like they had in Germany. I don't want to get to that point."

"The motivation for war is simple. The U.S. government started the war with Iraq in order to make it easy for U.S. corporations to do business in other countries. They intend to use cheap labor in those countries, which will make Americans rich."

"I think (Bin Laden is under the protective watch of) the United States, I think our government knows where he is and I don't think we're going to be capturing him or killing him any time soon." -- Michael Moore in an interview with Bob Costas

Now do you really trust what this man has to say about anything?

**ethan** · 07-13-2004, 10:09 PM

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Now do you really trust what this man has to say about anything?

I said specifically that i didn't put much faith or basis of my opinion in the movie. I also never mentioned Moore, or what he said. I was referencing more the incompetancy of Bush.

That's a lot of reading, good research. You did well with Moore and liberals, now prove Bush isn't a moron.

**Republikin** · 07-14-2004, 06:57 AM

First there is the passage of the tax cut and the effort to make it permanent. Then, there is the nomination of excellent judges and the defense of those nominees who are encountering opposition for partisan purposes. President Bush rejected the International Criminal Court. He got us out of the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty, and thus paved the way for a missile defense system. The Ashcroft Justice Department, directed by the President, opposed partial birth abortion in the Ohio case and opposed euthanasia in the Oregon case.

The President opposed human cloning and has pushed for the right legislation in the Congress to ban it. The President opposed taxpayer-funded embryonic stem cell research. The Justice Department has supported the correct view of the Second Amendment.

The President has pushed for energy independence. He signed the parsonage tax credit bill and the Born Alive Infant Protection bill, during which, at the signing ceremony, the President made the strongest pro-life statement coming out of the Oval Office in a couple of decades.

The President signed the Child Custody Protection Act. In the Prenatal Health Insurance Bill, he insisted that the definition of eligibility include the fetus. In the House he pushed for a welfare reform bill where marriage, work and the family are central.

The President rejected the United Nations Rights of the Child Treaty. He rejected funding for the United Nations Population Fund. He raised abstinence education funding to a record $300 million.

In addition, the President has praised single sex schools, highlighted the Boy Scouts, and condemned the Ninth Circuit Court's ruling removing "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Do these things sound like the acts of a moron or someone who understands the importance of family and he sticks up for what he believes in no matter what the popular opinion is.

Now, since you don't put much faith in what moore said in F9/11 tell us how he is a moron without using moores movie...

**OtterBob** · 07-14-2004, 09:30 AM

I can't stand either of the buttwipes running for president, but I'll probably end up voting for Bush. On the bright side, if Bush wins then there's only four more years until he can never be president again.

Please please please Alma, let Colin run for president. Now there's a man I respect and trust.

**Kyrnt** · 07-14-2004, 10:59 AM

I laugh to myself when I hear CNN-brainwashed individuals repeat the garbage they have been told about Bush's intelligence. What does it say about one's intelligence to take what you hear and simply repeat it with no supporting research of your own. The most interesting thing is that the likely fact is that few individuals making such charges has the educational background of President Bush:

Bachelor's degree, Yale University, 1968
MBA, Harvard University, 1975

Those of you calling him a moron or questioning his intelligence, let's see your resume. Hypocrisy is worst than stupidity in that it is a conscious act.