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Old 04-14-2011, 04:20 AM From 0$ to respected income
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Hello all fellow freelancers. I've decided to write down my progress thru freelancer.com. It will be long story but it will be worth reading cuz I'll write down all my progresses, tricks and mind behind it. Since freelancing is almost same as competition first thought is not wise to uncover my strategy to overcome my fellow freelancers. But in second thought it's not a easy like a hand flipping or clicking few buttons and score. I'll list down all my troubles I've met below. But foreword is important reader must decide read or not. Sorry for my bad english. My story will be about 3d artist freelancer which is myself. I will turn from broke *** guy to happy respected designer. But right now I'm a smallest fish in the pool. That's all for foreword.

Ok then freelance or not to freelance?
This is very important question you must ask. For myself I was working as a graphic designer local TV's and studios. But as a young man it was not enough for me. I really fell in love with 3d arts. But working such companies will consume too much time and too little time to develop yourself. But political and economical factors of early years contributed to it too. Not satisfactory salary and too much too simple works. I like surf internet alot. So I've noticed one thing. Talented 3d arist with great portfolios plus freetime and expending time on learning developing were almost all of them were freelancers. When they reach good level of skill and experience they'll hired in good companies. Freelancing is so great that you can work from your home with great freedom. You dont worry about vacations too much work for prolonged time etc. But freelancing requires great patience and ofcourse bright mind. It's not a PTC, gambling or some magical way to earn. You have to be decided already overcome your doubts. But great thing about freelancing is you can quit whenever you want. I don't advice that thou.


I'm currently 27. And has no fixed fulltime job currently.
Current status at freelancer.com: Member Since: 06/17/2010 at 17:28HKT. But I've registered before I quit my job and were inactive until November 2010. Completed 5 projects totalling 390$.

Ofcourse I did some offline freelance works totalling approx. 800$. But offline jobs are not my aim I want freelance online fully. Doing offline jobs will cut your time on freelancer.com so it's unwise but I have to pay the bills.

Ok so I quit my job and started research on internet. Frankly I found few decent webs but all of them were nothing but a pain compared to freelancer.com. You can never become successful freelancer without good broker. Other websites are too complicated not user friendly for both freelancers and employers. But registering on several websites might be smart idea but I decided on freelancer.com solely. It's so great easy to use has a constant high number of users. At first I had no experience in freelancing but I was made my mind. First advice for new users: read FAQ's and other help articles. Trust me you'll need these eventually. Being greenhorn before the employers? Not a good idea. Those articles are so easy those are not a science or long boring godforsaken rules. Your future career as a freelancers must root on them. But I was that stupid but I've learned quickly. Make your mind clear and happy. Make yourself comfy and sit spend some time on FAQ's and interested help articles. If something is not clear contact freelancer.com's live support. They are very friendly always has swift answers. Don't hesitate contact them.

Once you are familiar with the flow of the freelancer.com choose your working fields. I for myself chosen 3d designing fields. If you are not qualified you are not allowed to bid. Create your profile simple yet not too simple. Don't copy from other artists. Since 3d art is a art copying is not cool create it with your head. It's not that hard. It's almost like saying My name is Erdenebileg but slightly informative.

That's all for today. It was like a intorduction. Next post will be extremely useful for new users I bet. I'll write down all my troubles I've encountered and deductions many more useful stuffs.

If this thread was so cool that I must be recipent of nobel prize or something please post your feelings. Just kidding please post a comments it will cheer me up and help decide continue or not.
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:21 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Nice Topic.Really informative. I also am earning quite an income from freelancer.com I joined in December 2010, and till now have earned around 400$ when I am not here full time because of my studies.
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Old 04-17-2011, 03:23 PM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Good going outcast1987 and thanks.

Ok now for the next post. When I actively interested in freelancer.com I immediately recognized something. Freelancers were not individuals majority of them were teams or studios something like them. Ofcource they have greater chance to win because they have speed, diversity of skills. If you have to freelance here you gotta be good. Ok then first real difficulty for me was the gear. I started with zero dollars! I had only my PC and hand drawing items. Sometimes I borrow my friends drawing tablet. Ofcourse if you want to be a successful freelancer gear yourself as much as you can be ready to complete the projects. But my approach was rather different since investing is difficult for me I planned profit from freelancing and use that funds to invest. I'll let you guys know if I succeeded. But I've noticed some good things too! I was startled because majority of the freelancers were not that good. They were even very unskilled amateurs. (Ofcourse if he/she were good pro why should freelance unless they are like me?)

If you are good at what you do you have very good chance that you can outperform them. Now you have to let employer know your capability. Just saying you are good doesnt give a ****. This chain of things will lead you to your very own systematic approach method. I'll write my own developed one.
First my big flaw was I always give allrights to employers even if they didnt required that. It's just my professional pride, good gesture and somethings like that. But this idea had a backfire. Because of that my portfolio became so poor. And I recently lost my hard drive. It was my main storage for a very long time. I lost almost everything including amassed useful stuffs. Trust me it feels like a ****. I even required couple of weeks to recover emotionally and be my old self. (Calm calculating)

That's all for today. It ended in a very weird fashion thou. Sorry but I gotta sleep for now.
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Old 04-18-2011, 03:00 PM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Hey.. Erdenebileg.. Great stuff you sharing here.. I'm feeling myself is being similar to you. Here I started on freelancer around feb 2010, So i'm majorly on video productions/ After Effect/ graphic design stuff. So currently i'm earning good income through freelancer. As I was just starting with my Core2duo PC and with Hawai Dongle net connection. So I'll be sharing my thoughts, as well as experience on freelancer here.. C U..
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Old 04-20-2011, 02:32 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Thanks designersland and wish you great success.

By the way let's invite good freelancers here. Shout and share the freelancer.com so it will keep us earning. Because attracting many employers is indeed first thing but without high quality freelancers eventually our precious freelancer.com will diminish. Good freelancers will attract more employers you can handle.

Ok let's continue my article. Attracting employers are tough job. I think best way to approach is your attitude must be very professional be respectful use formal words but add a little humor it's not a diplomatic mission or some political stuff. Analyze the project throughly dont forget even the little detail. You must have complete confidence on that project. But some challenging projects can be useful for both earning and developing yourself. So let know that you did your homework research about the project. For example if it was a engineering job gather some knowledge on that field and highlight the complicated engineering part. Dont be hasty on using formal respectful words. Use very generic words. We cant use go use sir or mam on every employer he/she can be 10 year old. (What a wonderful world isnt it?) Being too low being cant be good ofcourse. Examining the project will give you the idea about correct price and time frame. If you have something to clarify just bid on it and ask that in your PM. This might establish first communication!!! But if project is too brief for example "I need graphics work" use clarifying board. Because you cant determine your price or time frame.

That's it for now. Next: Managing portfolio or samples, communicating employer.
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Old 04-25-2011, 11:34 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Nice topic, Mr Erdenebileg. I just saw this thread and I find it very helpful. I am also new to freelancer. I will stay tuned on this thread for more advices.

And hopefully you can give me a specific advice, I am new to freelancer.com and i haven't won any project yet. I would like to focus on forum posting and business, specifically marketing and promotions, for I am taking up marketing ( I am still a student )
Are there opportunities for a student like me on freelancer.com?
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Old 04-26-2011, 04:02 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Thanks jeyyyps, I hope you'll find what you need from here.

Update: Made another 250 AUD$ in 2 days.

Ok first of all I got word for admins and mods. I understand its tough to manage forum like this big. Spammers and bad posts might plague. But only the members of the forum and their outstanding or simple blabbers are what keeps it alive. I have to wait too long to publish my post. Other members too its killing our interest it has low capability of sharing our thoughts and communicating. I think moderators can keep this clean without that delay of approval. I'm sorry if I was wrong.

Managing portfolio or samples, communicating employer.
Having a portfolio or samples is very vital. This will show your capability to employers. Never use other peoples works employers are not stupid. If you caught its over he/she will never hire you ever again. And even if you didnt caught theres a backfire, you cant perform good as employers estimate this results not getting payment or bad feedback detailing about your fakeness and you will never get a job again. All this problems didnt encountered me since I always use my very own works as samples its self esteem or pride... I dont know how to call this. I have confidence in my ability. Don't create your portfolio/samples too big and complicated. Make it simple choose carefully. For example: (for 3d artist) 1 or 2 character creation, 1 or 2 freestyle, 1 or 2 interior exterior.... etc. Make them group like the example and point out few decent ones. If you have very close example regarding on bidding project ofcourse choose them too. And tell that if employer can open your files. (.rar file or OS problem) And say if so please tell me I can resend with compatible format. Some employers don't bother about that and just ditch you so choose most common file formats.

Start making part of the project and include it in your samples so employer knows you are real deal. (choose complicated but small part) This'll help you very nicely. I won my first 2 jobs just like that. Even now I use this method. I really didnt had a chance to upgrade to gold member or buy exams but obviously these will help greatly. Because it shows that you are determined and actually invested in your career.

If you don't have a good samples or portfolio (like me, I had my reasons mentioned above) start create them. Without them freelancing is very very hard.

When you preparing the samples you must consider this very carefully.
1. There's a 2 types of employers. Knowledged in your field, has no or little knowledge in your field.
First types has good eyes they can determine your capability accurately so they are very good employers. They know what they need, they know who they need and can determine your skill from your very few decent samples. (recently they are decreasing in my field because of unskilled freelancers here so they turned to more expensive fulltime studios)

2nd types are very hard to handle they can be easily fooled by bad freelancers cant value your skills. To persuade them you gonna need almost matched sample like his/her project or you have to start the project before you bid.
2. Group your samples and make them few. For 3d artists instance if you have too many interior scenes and nothing from other fields you have a very little chance. Freelancing is not that luxurious you cant go by only one field. (For my instance I do all jobs related to 3d art)
3. As time goes by you start notice high paying job similarities. For my example exterior and interior projects and character creation is paid relatively well and not that rare. This is your main goal you have to aim for them. Make your samples in these fields with great skill.

Ok this is for today mates. I have to go out friends are calling me to the pub. Gotta stomach the beers.
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Old 04-27-2011, 12:05 PM
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Yes Erdenebileg. I will keep myself updated with this thread. So how will it go for me? I wanna focus on internet marketing, promotions, advertising, forum postings and other simple projects. I have nothing to put on my portfolio

MAN, congratulations! you deserve it

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Old 05-22-2011, 07:41 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Thanks jeyyyps. Making money by legal and decent way is hard. Possessing no particular skills or something it will be much more harder I hope you will find some insights from my posts. (geez am I a philosopher or something?)

Miracle happened won 500$ from success story competition. I never dreamt about that.

Ok back to the story. I'm a realistic person so I don't believe some magical things. But this is the miracle I think. I moved to my hometown to cut my spending. But internet connection here is slightly lower. Even thou owner of the house sold the house so I had to move anyway. I'm planning to spend prize money to my computer. When I didnt quit my job work computer was a monster but my own pc is ages old one. I have to partially improve it. Even I had skills and experience I cant bid on some projects because they require more performance. When I get more money I'll buy whole new one that will be my first major success.

One way to improve your approach is collecting comments on your proposals. My method is bid and wait for a few days depending on the project end time. And send another e-mail. Containing some ideas like this:
-Apologize if you are annoying him/her.
-If you are counted as a bad candidate find out why?
-If employer sends reply it will be great help for your future career.
-Thank his/her time.
And then sometimes explore other freelancers profile pages. And read some feedbacks and portfolios.

And there's a rating system on feedback (various 10 star ratings). In theory you cant possible get lower than full 10 stars. You must able to see logic behind it. You have possibility to research the project, if you won you have the possibility and right to clarify and require some more informations. You can determine your time frame (be wise sometimes sudden problems might occur). So if you are not stupid what could go wrong? And good feedbacks are good for your chances to win the project.

That's it for now. I hope I'll win the current bidding project. It might be long term and project itself is gateway. Because I always failed to get major character creating projects. They are paid well and interesting too. If I succeed on this I believe this will be really a success story.
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Old 05-23-2011, 11:11 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Thank you for exerting effort to share your stories and some advice here. I am doing all of those that you have mentioned.

Yes I know, because I am not yet a professional, but a marketeer in the making. lol. So I could only do projects which require basic skills like data entry, forum posting, etc. uhh, Philosopher? not really, lol. You have a good point. Now I have officially started my 2nd month in freelancer and still no projects won for me.

Good luck on your freelancer career, Erdenebileg

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jeyyps you can make money online, that is not the problem....... the only thing being whether you get the money or not!! Freelancer can be trusted but other sites are just too dangerous!
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:17 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Hello everybody,



I tried to be active here but nothing significant happened since last post. My average income increased to approx. 900$/month. Including offline works I've done for local TVs or studios. I worked very hard to reach this. I was very optimistic, I firmly believed I can reach respectable income from only freelancer.com. But it is not what I used to believe.



Perhaps this post will be the most significant and important to all freelancers regardless experienced veteran or newbie.



I encountered this problem yesterday and realised greatest bug, a hole in freelancer.com's rules. PLEASE ALL FELLOW FREELANCERS VETERAN OR NEWBIES READ THIS POST VERY CAREFULLY.



We freelancers have to communicate with the employers very carefully and must decide wether accept or decline awarded project. If he/she will abandon the project you will get marked forever and ever until the end of time. Your reputation will say you are incompleted a project before and gives off impression that you are unreliable liar fake professional. It will hurt our income the very life line so severely you might actually live poor as a result.



Ok we know about that, but according to freelancer.com's rules: if employer abandons you will never can fix that. Ofcourse there's bad freelancers that destroys the project. But what if employer never sent you even 1 message? You dont know what to do but still you are bound to the rules and your reputation will get huge stain.



What can freelancer.com's staff about that? I tried many times with many approach and they will do nothing. I do respect and obey freelancer.com's rules and regulations. I think this is the best web site in the whole wide world. But there's a gap! Ok what will be best thing can do is that employer gets banned or cancelled his/her account. But you still has a bad reputation.



To post a project you dont have to pay anything! Absolutely zero. When employer awards project he/she must pay 3% as a comission. But this will result only negative balance. No funds paid. And the horrible part is this person can post a project again with negative balance and still can award the project. He/she can create hundreds or thousands projects and award poor hard working freelancers and abandon them only to hurt their life. (employer I encountered is doing this) Not just internet abstract profile, their real life their social status, their childrens fate. What can freelancer.com's staff do? NOTHING!



And most horrible thing is employers can actually pressurise freelancers so he/she can enslave freelancer. How? Award the project and threaten to abandon the project. Appearently price can be changed!!! So employer will enslave freelancer and change the price to minimum and order additional works. Serious freelancers have to obey or their future will darken.



Staffs, what can they do about that? Nothing. Be a slave or get bad reputation it's your call they will say. Or they might ban the slave master but you still get bad reputation. Who want that? Nobody, so in order to save their profile reputation they have to obey. In the end of slavery slave masters still can abandon. That means free slave labor available right here.



We have to be very careful. Even if it will hurt good employers feelings we have to be sure. Or we will get that infamous bad reputation. Murphy's law - "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong". I hope this abuse will not end freelancer.com entirely. Whole system might fall down resulting hundreds of thousands peoples lives change forever. I know freelancer.com does very good things for both freelancers and employers but just cant handle this. God bless you.
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Old 11-15-2011, 06:44 AM Re: From 0$ to respected income
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Thanks for posting a hot topic. I have been a member for quite a while but did not work during a period when I enjoyed my full time job! I quit my job and I regularly come to freelacer.com. I earned hadsome income.

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