Scammed Domain Names

**estator** · 12-21-2008, 12:08 PM

Hi all,

I was just scammed yesterday by someone who claimed to be David Cramp. His email address and paypal account is dave.cramp@ntlworld.com. His name.com account is 185594-abc0771

After I transfered the domains to him, he claimed the payment back with a dispute. Never receive a word from him so far. Now my money is on hold and my domains are gone!

My purpose at this thread is to list all the domains that I was scammed. If someone approach you to sell these names to you, please aware that you might be the next victim or you will buy scammed names and might got yourself trouble. Instead, tell straight to his face: "Get off! Scammer!" and inform the forums admin to ban the scammer.

Name.com and paypal are looking into it. To my experience, name.com always stand up for its customers. I hope I can close this thread soon.

Here is the list of scammed names:

SlimmestIpod.com
SlimmestMac.com
ConductorTrade.com
ConductorImport.com
ConductorExport.com
ConductorSales.com
WholesaleConductor.com
RetailConductor.com
HanoverTourism.com
HannoverTrip.com
HanoverTrip.com
HannoverTourism.com
24hDate.com
24hMeet.com
24hDating.com
HeadDir.com
ConductorLink.com
ConductorMarket.com
24hOnlineMall.com
24hBeauty.com
ItDine.com
FrDine.com
BrDine.com
UkDine.com
Baydb.com
Beachdb.com
Islanddb.com
SparklingDubai.com
ConductorSolution.com
ConductorWorld.com
SmartConductor.com
CashInstinct.com
BankruptRescue.com
BankruptRelief.com
GallopSales.com
GallopIncome.com
16Diary.com
Dear16.com
24HrBeauty.com

Thank you.

**estator** · 12-22-2008, 06:44 AM

I did have a second thought that the email and paypal account was hacked. But it seems that is the guy. You'll see when you read along this post.

This is my investigation on this guy Dave Cramp.

1. The scammer joined the domain forums acorndomains.co.uk on Nov 21 2008 under username Get+1. He used email and paypal account dave.cramp@ntlworld.com under the name David Cramp.
He approached me on 18 Dec 2008.
He scammed me on Saturday , 20 Dec 2008.

2. ntlworld.com is redirected to Virgin Media website, virginmedia.com
In order to have Virgin Media email account, you have to be a customer in the UK.

3. Googling the email address, besides all my threads, there is one lead to British VW Clubs, http://www.abvwc.org.uk/NorthClubs.htm

4. This leads to North East Club, http://www.thenortheastvwclub.co.uk/

Dave Cramp is the secretary of this club. His information found on this website includes 2 email address: dave.cramp@ntlworld.com and dave@thenortheastvwclub.co.uk
His location is Billingham, Cleveland, an area at North East England.
His North East Club forums username is Rusty.

5. Rusty's latest posts on forums was Sunday, Dec 21 2008 4:48 pm
There was a gap of Rusty's forums activity from Dec 14 to Dec 21.
I checked all his posts as far back to April 2008, no mention of a stolen email incident.

Until this point, there is no evidence of stolen account and it seems the guy Dave Cramp I'm chasing is indeed the fraudster.

To take further step to protect an innocent man who might be hacked, I'm thinking of emailing Virgin Media and VW North East Club to confirm if there is any stolen email account.

The whois record of my domains is still:

Katie Kam
wooster #15 rooster
WOOSTER
FL
42421
US
Phone: +1.9133151224
Email Address: bcdomain69@gmail.com

**estator** · 09:48 AM

Hi guys,

Follow my previous investigation on Dave Cramp, I now look carefully at activities of the scammer (Get+1 on AcornDomains forums) and Dave Cramp (Rusty on North East VW Club forums).

Below is the table of activity for each. The blank at each line indicates no activity (gap of activity to do something else)

Scammer Dave Cramp
dd-mm-yyyy mmm dd, yyyy
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:48 pm
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:44 pm
Sun Dec 21, 2008 4:37 pm
20-12-2008, 04:49 PM (day of scam)
18-12-2008, 09:06 PM (day of approach)
Sun Dec 14, 2008 3:23 pm
13-12-2008, 04:31 PM
13-12-2008, 01:46 PM
09-12-2008, 10:17 PM
08-12-2008, 03:10 PM
Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:33 am
Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:27 am
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:58 pm
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:38 pm
Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:32 pm
01-12-2008, 09:02 PM
01-12-2008, 08:59 PM
01-12-2008, 12:06 PM
28-11-2008, 08:48 AM
25-11-2008, 08:19 PM
22-11-2008, 08:40 PM
22-11-2008, 06:45 AM
21-11-2008, 09:18 PM
21-11-2008, 06:26 PM
21-11-2008, 04:17 PM (day of registration)
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:56 pm
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:53 pm
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:52 pm
Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:51 pm
Sun Nov 09, 2008 5:34 pm
As you can see very clearly. The date Get+1 was active on AcornDomains, Dave is inactive on VW and vice versa.

What does it mean? I don't have to say. You can draw that yourself.

I'll take a look at lili john who was the scammer using the same trick back in april, may 2008 to see if there is any link with this Dave folk. Stay tuned.

**SiberForum** · 12-23-2008, 04:59 AM

Thank you very much for the warnings.
Do you have some proves to work on the paypal right now?

**estator** · 12-23-2008, 05:07 AM

As adviced by some members, I responsed at paypal resolution center "domain names are intangible." since paypal is not responsible for intangible goods. I'm waiting for result in few days more.

**SiberForum** · 12-23-2008, 05:31 AM

I think that you need to tery to prove that in help with your domain name registrar. I suppose they have logs of your domain names

**JNeuhoff** · 12-25-2008, 10:21 AM

There is always a risk doing payment transactions via PayPal. Once PayPal puts a payment on temporary hold, it can take months to resolve issues. Take a look at http://www.paypalsucks.com/ !

**SiberForum** · 12-26-2008, 05:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JNeuhoff

There is always a risk doing payment transactions via PayPal. Once PayPal puts a payment on temporary hold, it can take months to resolve issues. Take a look at http://www.paypalsucks.com/ !

They take a care about buyers first of all not about vendors and that a pity...

**Anatoly** · 01-01-2009, 01:04 PM

Thats why you NEVER EVER use paypal to sell domains.

if the domain value is below $500 use sedo.com they charge 10% but you will get your money for sure.

if the domain is over $500 then use escrow.com its cheaper then sedo on large transactions.

**youngheart** · 05:50 AM

Wow...you got 39 domain names hijacked from you by the fraudster ! Best of luck in getting all your domain names back and having this matter resolved ASAP.

So, the fraudster approach you in the acorndomains.co.uk forum...I suppose you listed your domain there for sale...don't they play some kind of 'middleman role' to help you do the trading so as to ensure both parties(buyer and seller) are protected ?