css: firefox vs. ie

**cpfreak23** · 05-01-2005, 09:55 PM

ok i have made this web page based on css, and im having problems viewing w/ firefox, but it looks great in internet explorer, and ideas?

the web page is: http://www.convandesign.com/index.htm
and the css is: http://convandesign.com/emx_nav_left.css

**drewrockshard** · 05-02-2005, 12:53 AM

well for one, please optimize your images to the left. they load slow , im using DSL and its going slowwwwwwwwwww hehh. thanks

the fix to your problem is the fact being that you can be lazy with your xhtml and/or css and IE will still "guess" and usually looks like you want it to while other standard compliant browsers are more demanding for strict markup. you forgot one thing. you forgot to specify the width of your main content div. in you style sheet it looks like:

HTML Code:

#content{
	padding: 0px 10px 0px 0px;
	margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;
	border-left: 1px solid #ccd2d2;
	float: left;
}

you need to add a 500px width, then it should look just like IE..

like so:

HTML Code:

#content{
	padding: 0px 10px 0px 0px;
	margin:0px 0px 0px 0px;
	border-left: 1px solid #ccd2d2;
	float: left;
        width:500px;
}

hope this was helpful

**cpfreak23** · 05-03-2005, 10:34 PM

thanks!!

**drewrockshard** · 05-03-2005, 10:36 PM

your welcoem

**cpfreak23** · 05-03-2005, 10:39 PM

umm i did tat and it still dont work

**cpfreak23** · 05-03-2005, 10:40 PM

nvm ya it did! thanx!

**drewrockshard** · 05-04-2005, 01:03 AM

welcome once again

**Miz** · 05-04-2005, 10:29 AM

For all that Firefox is a great browser it seems to be missing support for some basic functions such *** CSS and some java script, its an excellent browser and I am a convert but whenever I create web pages I always do it using IE first, when it is fine with that I tweak it to work with firefox (not always possible)... mozilla should have tested it mor before releasing it

**drewrockshard** · 05-04-2005, 06:34 PM

well its not firefox...its IE. I used to be an IE guy until i really looked into it. For one, IE is not safe, but also IE doesnt calculate browser tags well, or i should say "correctly". firefox reads the tags the way they should be and IE reads the tags as they "think" they should. as in, if the user creates a property and types something in that has no support for, it outputs what it thinks you want, where firefox outputs what its suppose to do.

my suggestion to you is test everything thing with a standards compliant browser first (firefox, opera, safari) and then test on IE. the errors you will find are minimal and alot easier to fix.

**Minaki** · 05-04-2005, 08:52 PM

Quote:

IE is not safe

IE is safe. So long as the person using it has more than 1/2 a brain cell.

Quote:

IE doesnt calculate browser tags well, or i should say "correctly".

You need to use a correct DOCTYPE to put it into standards compliant mode. See http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de...hancements.asp
Even then it has a couple of bugs... but hey, so does every browser. (Seems like I've had to update Firefox far more than IE lately... and at work the 1.03 update seriously screwed things up...)

**ACJavascript** · 05-04-2005, 09:42 PM

I couldn't agree more with Minaki.

Give firefox a while more and you will see it crack. I think IE has more cracks because everbody wants to take down Microsoft lol. Who wants to hack the small browser compeating with Microsoft??

**drewrockshard** · 05-05-2005, 02:34 AM

as I see alot of "IE" users here i only gritt my teeth. its not about "bashing MS". I love microsoft and think bill gates is one **** of an awesome man. but IE is unsafe and things are downloaded to it without your acknowlegment/say. i did a test. for one week using IE I had 16 new adware problems. using FF for a week, i had none.

thats my say, and of course poeple tend to disagree because they are used to their little box, otherwise known as liberals. change is good. live a little and see what else is out there. i dont care what browser you use; its a matter of how you site looks.

test your website on as many browsers as possible. make sure that they look somewhat the same on all of them. thats the main point im trying to put forth...

**Kaiman** · 05-05-2005, 05:50 PM

I am in agreement with Drew on this one. Although, admitedly, I just read an interesting article in a recent PC Magazine, about some of the potential security flaws in Mozilla/Firefox.

Even still you won't find nearly as many incidents of spyware/malware or browser hijacks etc in Mozilla because they closed many of the holes that are in IE. Plus it took Microsoft six version to put in a pop-up blocker and Mozilla had a popup blocker built into their earliest release.

As for the CSS question, Mozilla is by far much more CSS compliant, the downside being that websites that aren't compliant won't display as well in Firefox.

I have said it before on this forum and I'll say it again, I look forward to the day when everyone gets their **** together and creates browsers that render things the same.

Kaiman,

Website Design and Hosting - Glenwood Springs, CO

**CasaPages** · 05-05-2005, 06:09 PM

The more I code in the w3c standards the more I notice that for things to render properly in IE I have to add extra code in order to make the site look even remotely close in IE as it does in other browsers......

**Minaki** · 05-06-2005, 10:11 AM

IE has holes, but Microsoft releases updates for them. Just as Firefox has updates, you're supposed to install them if you're worried about security. That, and being careful about what you click on (that should go without saying on the internet) and you shouldn't have any problems... I use IE extensively at home, work, and on the road and every time I run spyware scans (about once a month) all they ever come up with is a few cookies...

As for CSS, use your nog. I have an incredibly complex CSS site on the go and only need 8 lines of CSS to make it look good in IE. Put some effort into it, it's not hard

**wakasm** · 05-09-2005, 05:35 PM

Firefox is less forgiving than IE. Which is a good thing. Most websites will look fine in IE, but you know you, the programmer, forgot something in the code when it doesn't work in Firefox.

At least - my opinion.

**desertland** · 05-09-2005, 07:34 PM

I have to agree with drew as well here... in addition to the arguments already presented, firefox has a number of excellent features. Their plugins really give it more flexibility. The web developer plugin is huge asset to anyone developing websites. Tabs are also an incredible feature... once you try Firefox, there's no going back =)