i'd like to hear some opinions about makumba.
i am not going to explain what exactly this is ... all i say it's another language, that the developers say it's a lot easier to use for db based websites.

more information you can find at http://www.makumba.org ...

please take the time to see what's it all about and tell me if it's worth learning it ...

thank you very much.

hi!

Originally Posted by OmuCuSucu

please take the time to see what's it all about and tell me if it's worth learning it ...

I just make a complete dynamic website for my department with a list of users and info about them, list of projects, courses, etc that can be easily edited.

and all of this with basic knowledge of HTML, JSP and of course, Makumba tags.

you should make a try at least

hey there Pedro.
how's life in Lisbon?

how'd you end up replying to this old thread?

could you please, in case you see this explain, why you think makumba is better than php+mysql?

thank you

hi!

adler, please!

I'm living in Stockholm :-P

Makumba is not another language, but a tag library that allows you to do a dynamic webpages in a very easy way.
basically you just need to know JSP and you are able to build an application with forms to add, edit, delete records from the database and also query the database.
if you want to build more complex things you will need to code a little bit of Java.
and that's all

I don't want to argue that Mak is better or worst or the same as other tag libraries.
you can see Makumba over PHP+mySQL because you are in a higher level.

right now, Makumba only has a driver to work with JSP so if you dont' like JSP or cannot use it then you cannot use Makumba, unless you right the driver to use Makumba with PHP.

PHP teaches bad programming habits: example, no-type safe programming
when the applications became quite big it's very hard to maintain and develop if you use PHP...

if you like JSP and you want to have the possibility that people not so skilled in programming can do dynamics webpages very easy than Makumba is a good choice. Makumba was designed for this.

Take a look the Makumba Statement of Purpose:

What do we design Makumba for?

• fast member involvement

• rapid development

• based on members' HTML and SQL knowledge

• unlike popular scripting languages, it still enforces a clean model-view-controller (MVC) architecture, leading to a healthy structure of the applications even as members come and go

• db-driven web applications (clear delimitation of the technology)

• simple (few concepts)

• source code should be clear and easy readable to ensure efficient learning by example for new members

• easy to install (few commands/directories/files to work with)

• independent of any commercial technology or data format (easy to migrate to other technologies that can access databases through SQL)

• as much as possible "compiled" rather than interpreted (tell the developer at first page execution that somthing is rotten, rather than wait for it to blow in production)

• personal member development towards Java, MVC, http, JSP and other technologies involved

you can always email makumba-devel(at)lists.sourceforge.net to get more info...

adler