Originally Posted by theverysmartguy

Hi, Im new to this forum, but I figured I would put in my 2 cents.

Unfortunatly there are far to many people out there that get caught up in the "quick and easy" methods of making money on the internet. There truely is no such thing, all money takes alot of hard work and determination to make. And of course with all that hard work and determination, usually comes with some good pay off.

I used to be one of those people who wanted the easy road to riches, of course over time I did learn that it just doesnt happen that way. So a good way is to "copy" someone who is making some good money on the internet, and keep with it like they did, until you start seeing some results, and then buckle down, and keep doing it.

The best internet marketers always use some kind of "HYPE" to sell their products or to get people to sign up to their programs. Hype is not a bad thing though, as long as you dont get totally caught up in it, and lose yourself completely, and do some stupid things, like spend loads of money on something before you gathered info on it.

HYPE is just a selling tool that 99% of most sales people use. Just see past the hype and make sure whatever you are getting into is for real or not.

I have had too much personal experience with "BAD HYPE", and I have learned for it.
What I have learned is to have patience and buckle down and just keep doing it. If what tou are doing, is not working, then find out why, fix it(change it), and keep at it, until you have tweeked it to the point where that money is coming in that you want.

Thanks for Listening.

Jeff

Dude, I signed up just to say I totally agree with you, especially the 2nd paragraph.

The thing is often not that these sites don't work... the problem people have is that they are advertising it the wrong way.

I'm not saying you should get involved in any scams online that promise you the world, I'm only saying that if you know how to market you can make money with a lot of programs.

It pays off in the long run to do a lot of research though. I would never advertise a program or product that I don't know anything about.

As soon as they state that you can make x amount of money in x amount of time with little or no work watch out... you will probably not make that amount and you are absolutely not going to make it with what they tell you to do.

No matter what product/program you are promoting or never settle for what they offer you. Be different and you are more likely to succeed.

The thing is often not that these sites don't work... the problem people have is that they are advertising it the wrong way.

I'm not saying you should get involved in any scams online that promise you the world, I'm only saying that if you know how to market you can make money with a lot of programs.

It pays off in the long run to do a lot of research though. I would never advertise a program or product that I don't know anything about.

As soon as they state that you can make x amount of money in x amount of time with little or no work watch out... you will probably not make that amount and you are absolutely not going to make it with what they tell you to do.

No matter what product/program you are promoting or never settle for what they offer you. Be different and you are more likely to succeed.

Being different is good... to a point. Usually, doing what works is less risky. Have some experience behind you before you get to different.

Definitely don't believe everything you hear. When you join something, work hard on it and go the extra mile. It often takes more effort than what the program depicts.

Especially for newbies, I support the idea of 'duplication' - find a mentor! Find someone who is making it and 'copy' it. When you are a master, then you can try your hand at new developments when you can handle taking such risks.

Ben

One mans 'Hype' is another mans 'Salesmanship'

Hype is good for business. In sales, there is always a positive and negative vantage point. When you support something you talk about all the good and all the possibilities while minimizing the negatives. This is how you get people to buy into your offer.

Hype is not the same as lies or 'bad hype'. That is where doing your homework comes in. Give it due diligence and you'll be fine. Make your mistakes pay by learning from them and doing better the next time. Get back on that horse as that is the only way to success.

I agree that there are few (if any) 'quick and easy' ways to make money these days. At least for honest people that is, but hard work and determination normally pays you back eventually.

I also agree with 'duplication' - find a mentor! Find someone who is making it and 'copy' it. When you are a master, then you can try your hand at new developments when you can handle taking such risks.

Ben

Why are my posts being posted to this thread? Why does this topic have 2 threads?

apologies


Nevermind - i get it - two pages - my bad

You can be different even though you are using methods that work. You build on working ideas with your own and that way you are different but you are still using methods that are proven to work.

John

Originally Posted by johnlax

You can be different even though you are using methods that work. You build on working ideas with your own and that way you are different but you are still using methods that are proven to work.

John

I would agree with that

Well, you know, they definitely are making money and no doubt lots of it. You know, I am guessing you just need to have perseverance, faith and commitment to being able to succeed. If everyone was a skeptic and a disbeliever in any business they pursued, then why would you even waste the time in the first place? I guess that is the business of being self-employed. It is totally up to you how much you, yourself want to invest into a business. Nothing is 100 percent full proof. Trial and error. I am hoping to make some money with internet marketing, and I'm not sure how long it will take to do so. It's all about investing yourself.........

Good luck to all of you in your endeavors!

Persistence! 95% are not persisting and failing. 5% are persisting and successful.

I'm still very much the newbie. I have had oodles of experience in other fields. I am working with one of the affiliate marketing schemes. However I am aware that I won't be doing too much sitting around a pool drinking cocktails. With very hard work I envisage a return in about two years. The principles are too sound to fail..IF I PERSIST! I once had a vineyard and it was 7 years to any income!

I am making money from Rich-Jerk System. But its alot of work. to do so.

Regardless of hype there are no real get-rich-quick methods unless you use a mask and a gun! Affiliate marketing works but it takes, time, effort and application.

People often forget that one of the main reasons Amazon.com grew so large and so fast was due to its implementation of a very large affiliate network which promoted their site 24/7 all over the world. So, calling affiliate marketing a "scam" shows one is ignorant of an overwhelming supply of verifiable evidence.

Affiliate marketing is legit for the most part. It takes effort and perseverance. One should give his or her best efforts for more than a year before making a judgement. One should never be afraid to spend money on useful marketing tools and information and always budget for paid advertising in niche-specific ezine solo ads and low-priced keyword ads. Other things to spend money on are SEO (perhaps) and email list building tools and services. I can't imagine life without something like getresponse autoresponders. Getting natural links to your affiliate site is also integral to financial success online - Link Machine is great for that. There are also blogs to keep up, articles to write and submit etc. All of this takes time and thought and effort. Once the traffic and then money starts trickling in though, it's quite satisfying. When I read that 90-95% of people trying to make money on the internet fail to make any at all, I think, "gee, there sure are a lot of lazy, ignorant people out there, unprepared for the discipline needed to master internet marketing". "Must be because they were afraid to spend money on their knowledge and business or they thought the internet was some massive casino where all they have to do is put their money on a number or a color and wait for the wheel to stop".

Personally, I'm a little happier everytime someone gives up on adsense or gives up on spamming email lists. It just helps those of us who have learned how to eke a living out of the internet.

People who buy affilliate products usually buy and buy again. The best way to make money with affilliate products is to build your own mailing list on a particular subject and provide educational info with a newsletter. There are many resources out there that helps you build a mail list and there are those that pprovide content for your newsletters. The idea is to grow a customer base whom you can sell to again and again.

There is also Google adwords. The trick is to find LOW COST keywords that get a significant amount of monthly searches you can bid on and be in the numbver one paid position.

There is good money to be made with affilliate programs.

If we take 1000 affiliate sites, how much of them are really making money? I think 1 out of 1000 is a big number.

And one more question. Why are all affiliate, getting rich,... sites so ugly?

Originally Posted by kuntek

and one more question. Why are all affiliate, getting rich,... sites so ugly?

I hear you man. They all need a lesson in design and perhaps brush up on their photoshop skills

Great Ideas! Thanks for being informative.....just have to keep plugging away!

Why re-invent the wheel? You can profit from other's experiences. I recommend Stone Evans. I have only been with him a week, but he is giving out surprises, helpful, practical info and you will get more than a college level education in short order, but it is a lot of work, a lot of study, but I believe you get out of something what you put in, so get to work, take a chance, have some faith.

all the best,